Prostate Cancer: PSA Dropping and He Preferred CA Care Herbs to Casodex and Zoladex

ML is a 69-year-old male from Indonesia. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer on 6 September 2011. Before this diagnosis ML already had problems with his prostate since April 2008. His PSA on 1 April 2008 was 9.31 and this kept rising over the years.

On 8 December 2011, we received an e-mail from ML.

Dear Dr. Chris,

I’m ML from Jakarta who went to meet you on 21 October 2011. After taking Prostate A tea and Mountain Guava deTox tea and capsule A, my PSA went down to 0.37 from  4.67.

Before that my doctor advised me to change my diet and gave me Casodex + Zoladex. These helped my PSA to go down to 4.67. Then I stop these drugs and took your herbs. My PSA went down to 0. 37. What must I do? Do I still have to take the herbs and for how long?

Thanks for your help.

On 16 December 2011, ML sent another e-mail.

Dr. Chris,

Congratulation, Praise The Lord from ML, Jakarta. I checked my PSA on 14 December. My PSA = 0.19.

Below is his brief medical history:

  1. 1 April 2008, PSA 9.31. Took prostate glands pills (Kai Kit Wan)
  2. 23 Jan 2009, PSA 11.83. Still on prostate glands pills
  3. 19 Jan 2010, PSA 23.7  Still on prostate glands pills
  4. 26 May 2010, PSA 19.83 Still on prostate glands pills
  5. 15 June 2011, PSA 33.23 Conprosta capsule (Qian Lie Kang capsule)
  6. 1 Aug 2011, PSA 32.8
  7. 6 September 2011, Biopsy:  confirmed adenocarcinoma of the prostate .Gleason score 4+3=7. USG:  prostate size twice the normal size. Bone scan was normal, no metastasis.
  8. 17 Sept 2011, Infection of the prostate, pain. Doctor prescribed  Levoproxacine & Ratinidine tablets.
  9. 20 Sept 2011, PSA 47.67 Medical treatment with Casodex & Zoladex. Vegetarian diet.
  10. 15 Oct 2011, PSA 4.67  On Casodex.
  11. Stopped Casodex on 30 October 2011.
  12. 21 Oct 2011, Visited CA Care Penang. Spoke with Chris Teo.
  13. 25 Oct 2011, Singapore General Hospital. Urology Department. MRI : no metastasis, prostate cancer (organ confine ). Advised to undergo surgery / radiation. Surgery, robot – assisted radical prostatectomy. Radiation : IMRT technique ( 37 session ). Declined medical treatment as suggested by SGH doctor.
  14. 1 Nov 2011, Start on CA Care’s herbs: Capsule A ,Prostate A & Mt.Guava Tea for two weeks.
  15. 15 Nov 2011, PSA 0.37 Continue with CA Care’s herbs.
  16. 14 December 2011, PSA 0.19.

This is indeed an interesting case. However, there are many things that need clarification. We requested Pak Teddy in Jakarta to meet up with ML and get some answers from him.

Below is Pak Teddy’s e-mail.

Hello Prof. Chris,

These are the answers from him. He came yesterday. He visited for about 45 minutes and had to go to another place after that.

 Questions 1. When and why did he come and see you?
He came to see me on 27 Sept 2011. He wanted to know about the herbal therapy from CA Care.

2. Who asked him to come?
A friend in the church inform him of my address.

3. When he came — did he believe what you told him? 
At that time I don’t know he believed me or not. But he bought some herbs that I suggested. And he came again the second time. During this second visit, he explained that after he had met me, he opened his Bible while at home. He read the page that he opened and there was this information about the Diet which I have explained to him earlier. So he followed the Diet that I suggested. He also informed me that he checked in the net about the ingredients of Capsule A. He learned that Typhonium flageliforme has the ability to fight the cancer cell. He had more confidence on our herbs.

4. He came to Penang … after he saw you — but he did not take the herbs yet. Why — he was not sure? After he came to Penang he started to take the herbs? 
Yes, he did not take the herbs immediately after see me. This was because he was not sure of it. At that time he was on Casodex. He wanted to know how far the Casodex works. He started Casodex + Zoladex Injection (first injection ) on 23 September 2011. He stopped taking Casodex on 30 October 2011.

On 21 October 2011 he visited you in Penang. After meeting you and after reading the book he bought (Prostate Cancer Healed Natually), he became more confident that he was on the right track.

On 25 Oct 2011 he went to Singapore General Hospital, Urology Department. He was advised to undergo surgery/ radiation. Surgery is robot-assisted radical prostatectomy. Radiation is IMRT technique  (37 session ). He refused the suggested medical treatments.

5.  Besides the PSA going down,  did he feel better after taking the herbs?

Yes he felt that his body  was more comfortable.
6. He was taking Casodex and Zoladex injection, for only one month and the PSA went down from 47.65 to 4.67 — that means the medication is working. Why did he give these up and go for herbs? 
Because he is afraid of the side effects of the drugs.

7. With less than a month on Casodex and Zoladex…what did he expect the PSA to be? — I think PSA dropping to 4.67 is very good indeed.
Yes he knows that. If he continues with the Hormone therapy he can get the PSA to go down but on the other hand he did not want to take the risk of the side effects  …bone destruction , etc.. He doesn’t want to have additional disease or problems. He better take the herbs. He believes herbs do not have side effects.

8. Did he stop the Caxodex and Zoladex totally when he took our herbs?  
Yes he totally stopped  Casodex on 30 October 2011. Then he start with our Herbs on 1 Nov 2011(only herbs).

9. Now his PSA is 0.37  — how sure is he that it is the herbs that make the PSA go down? It can be due to the effect of the Casodex/Zoladex. 
He knows that. May be the Zoladex effect is still at work ( 3 months effectiveness ) but once again he doesn’t want to continue because of the possible side effects. Now he is happy and explained to me that he only wants to continue with the herbs.

His doctor friends were surprised. You have a prostate cancer problem, but you keep smiling and  you seems to be  easy going ( because they know that prostate cancer can kill  him). He explained to me that all his doctor friends were worried about him.

He always replied them: I don’t have to go for surgery. But my PSA is now almost zero. Bye , bye  surgery  ( with a smile on his face ).


10. Is he going to stop taking the herbs — or when is he planning to continue taking the herbs?

No, he wants to continue with the Herbs.

Comments

 There are a few lessons we can learn from this case after you have listened to our conversation in this video.

1.  About being a stubborn person

ML’s PSA reading was elevated since April 2008. It was then at 9.31. ML took herbs (not from CA Care). The PSA kept increasing inspite of this herbal treatment. It was not until September 2011 that ML had a biopsy toconfirm what was wrong with him. A biopsy indicated prostate cancer with Gleason score of 7 – take note the maximum score possible is 10. So medically this was a rather serious cancer.

I asked ML this question: You were taking the herbs from April 2008 – the more and longer you took the herbs the higher the PSA went up. Why did you continue taking the herbs – increasing PSA means the herbs were useless – why continue taking the herbs or doing the same thing?  His wife replied that he (husband) was stubborn. Being stubborn can be either bad or good. Stubborn combined with “foolishness or stupidity” can lead of disaster.  If things do not work out the way it should for you, why hang on to it? At CA Care we tell our patients this: “Take the herbs of two or three weeks – a month at most. Ask yourself if the herbs help you or not. If you don’t benefit from the herbs within this time frame, stop taking them. Go and find someone else to help you.”  Hanging on to our herbs for months without any benefit is not only a waste of money but more importantly risking your life.

The good side of being stubborn (or having a mind of your own) is that you are not like a cow to be led by the nose! Just because the expert said something, you must follow. ML went to the experts in Singapore and he was offered robotic surgery or radiotherapy.  How do you like that? Better to be stubborn?

Dr. James Watson is a Nobel Prize winner in Medicine. This honor was in recognition of his discovery of the DNA double helix structure. He also was the first director of the National Institutes of Health’s Human Genome Project from 1988 to 1992. Now 83 and the chancellor emeritus at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, Dr. Watson was diagnosed with prostate cancer. After looking into radiation treatments and surgery, he decided on a course of “watchful waiting.” He said, “I was 80 and probably won’t live to be 90. So I will probably die of something other than prostate cancer.”  He takes ibuprofen (pain killer) every morning as well as a diabetes drug.  He also gets “hard exercise” in the form of vigorous tennis matches.  Being famous as he is, he could get the best medical treatment for prostate cancer in the world but he did not want to go for medical treatment. Why? Sometimes it is good to be stubborn!

2.  Side effects of Casodex and Zoladex

ML did not wish to continue with Casodex and Zoladex (even though they seemed to help) because of the risk of side effects.  I came to know that both ML and his wife were “medically trained”. So they know what “scientific medicine” is – they believe herbs are safer. Each of us has our preference – some would say herbs are not scientific or proven and liken them to snake oils, while others like ML thinks otherwise.

Let me remind you this – do not make choices solely on your preference, personal liking or belief. Make your decision based on research data available to you. Read and learn for yourself – research the facts and write these down and then use your head and heart to make sense of what you know.  That is a better  way  to make a wise decision. Before that, read and know the facts first. So here are the facts about the side effects of Casodex and Zoladex.

Common side effects of Casodex: Back, pelvic, stomach, or general body pain; constipation; decreased sexual ability; diarrhea; dizziness; frequent urination, especially at night; gas; headache; hot flashes; nausea; stomach upset; sweating; trouble sleeping; weakness.

SEVERE side effects of Casodex: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; difficulty swallowing; unusual hoarseness); black or bloody stools; blurred vision or other vision changes; bone pain; breast growth or pain; changes in the amount of urine produced; chest pain; dark or bloody urine; fainting; fever, chills, or persistent sore throat; flu-like symptoms; increased hunger, thirst, or urination; joint pain, stiffness, or swelling; loss of appetite; mental or mood changes (e.g, anxiety, depression); muscle aches or weakness; numbness or tingling of the skin; pale stools; severe or persistent cough; severe or persistent dizziness, drowsiness, or headache; severe or persistent nausea or stomach pain; shortness of breath; swelling of the ankles, legs, or feet; unusual bruising or bleeding; unusual tiredness or weakness; vomiting; weight change; yellowing of the skin or eyes.

Less serious side effects of Zoladex:  hot flashes, sweating, headache, dizziness; mood changes, increased or decreased interest in sex; vaginal dryness, itching, or discharge; impotence, fewer erections than normal; breast swelling or tenderness; bone pain; diarrhea, constipation; sleep problems (insomnia); or acne, mild skin rash or itching.

Serious side effect of Zoladex:  back pain, severe numbness or tingling in your legs or feet; muscle weakness, problems with balance or coordination; loss of bladder or bowel control; urinating less than usual or not at all; pain or burning when you urinate; blood in your urine or stools; feeling like you might pass out; trouble breathing; pale skin, easy bruising; nausea, loss of appetite, increased thirst, muscle weakness, confusion, and feeling tired or restless; high blood sugar (increased thirst, increased urination, hunger, dry mouth, fruity breath odor, drowsiness, dry skin, blurred vision, weight loss); sudden numbness or weakness, sudden severe headache, confusion, problems with vision or speech; or chest pain or heavy feeling, pain spreading to the arm or shoulder, nausea, sweating, general ill feeling.

(The list on side effects is obtained from the website, http://www.drugs.com/zoladex.html)

In our question to ML we asked: Besides the PSA going down, did he feel better after taking the herbs?

His answer was:  “Yes he felt that his body was more comfortable”. This is important. Do you learn anything from this  often repeated statement –  “The operation is a success but the patient died of complication.” What is the point of having an operation if this is the outcome? It is most shocking to read what Dr. James Forsythe wrote in his book, The Compassionate Oncologist, According to Big Pharma and the cancer industry, death from chemotherapy is acceptable as long as standard chemo protocol has been adhered to” (page 91).  Can you believe that?

3.   Diet for your cancer

This is the most frustrating point of all. Over the years working with cancer patients, we have this uphill task of telling patients to take care of their diet. Diet is important for your cancer. But it is a hard battle. Dr. James Forsythe (in The Compassionate Oncologist) wrote, “I know from firsthand experience that oncologists and physicians aren’t allowed to talk about supplements or diet as part of cancer treatment.”

  • Patients were being told that they can eat anything they like. Diet has nothing to do with their cancer – eat anything and be happy! Eat well so that you can come back for more chemo or radiation! Unfortunately many cancer patients don’t like the idea of not being able to eat what they like. They say: “I am already dying and now you tell me not to eat what I like. I better eat now before it is too late.” Others would say: “Go and see this Chris Teo and you die because you cannot eat many things you like.”  I remember one classical case of a medical doctor who came to ask for help. He had undergone chemos after chemos but the treatment did not cure him. After I told him to take care of his diet he said, “No, I don’t believe you. I cannot follow what you advised me.” To that I replied, “No, my therapy is not for people like you. If you are not prepared to take care of your diet, go somewhere else for help.”
  • Lately, I learnt that there is a bit of progress. A patient came to us after being told by his doctor that he should go home and just wait, but at the same time to take care of his diet. His liver cancer is too advanced and no medical treatment is indicated. I asked the patient what did his doctor say that he cannot eat – what does “taking care of your diet” mean? To my surprise the answer was, “No he did not tell us what to eat or not to eat. He just said, take care of your diet!” It is indeed amazing such a thing does happen! How do you expect the patient to know how to follow your advice if you don’t provide more information?  At CA Care we have our books, Food & Cancer, to tell you exactly what you need to know. Then, to guide you in your kitchen there is Healthy Cooking. There is no reason now why cancer patients do not know how to take care of their diet. Even more, there is no reason why cancer patients cannot eat healthy, good tasting food.
  • In this case, ML is really lucky to find a medical doctor who encouraged him to take care of his diet.  Cheers to this doctor! Dr. Dean Ornish is a medical doctor and president of Preventive Medicine Research Institute and Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.  Dr. Ornish has directed randomized controlled trials demonstrating that comprehensive lifestyle changes may stop or reverse the progression of early-stage prostate cancer and even reverse severe coronary heart disease, without drugs or surgery. Go to his website, http://www.pmri.org/dean_ornish.html and learn for yourself what diet can do for your cancer.

Updated:

Dear Dr. Chris Teo,
Lama tidak ada kabar dari saya, tapi masih tetap berhubungan dengan Pak Teddy. I’m doing well,  my PSA  is 0.3 in mid-February, and I’m still taking your Herbs as usually, I want to ask you is there a minimal dose to mantain my psa level, or should I take the usual dose. Thanks beforehand.  Greetings from all of us and Happy Easter.

 Update 2:

I would like to inform you, I’ve check my blood on 24 May 2012, My PSA is 0.52.

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