Our Wonderful Reunion with Ella in Singapore

In an earlier posting, I shared our wonderful meeting with Henny in Surabaya in early August 2019.

Come 31 August and 1 September 2019, Im and I were in Singapore.

We flew there to meet up with Ella and Peter from Melbourne, Australia. They are our dear friends (and patient).

This is indeed another wonderful “reunion” story to share with you.


Ella was diagnosed with cancer of the endometrium, ten years ago — Novermber / December 2008. She underwent surgery – TAHBSO (total abdominal hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy), omentum and left and right pelvic nodes. This was performed in Melbourne by one of Australia’s best surgeon.

After the surgery, Ella was asked to undergo chemotherapy and radiotherapy. She refused the treatments. She opted for the CA Care Therapy instead.

Watch this video:

Ella: The surgeon told me: To the best of my knowledge, I have got all the cancer that I can see. But you know and I know that the cancer is so minute, I don’t know. What I can offer you is to go to the oncologist and do chemo and radiation. Then I told her: You know and I know that I wouldn’t do that!

Then the surgeon said: In my knowledge – and I am a very good surgeon – you have two and a half years if you do chemo and radiation.

Two and half years? The surgeon then said: But if you don’t do it, maybe it is just three months.

Ella told the surgeon: No, I’ll prove you wrong.

Ten years after the surgery, we met in Singapore.

Who is ill?

Surely the pictures above show that no one is sick!

Thank God, all of us are just doing great!

Ella had proven the surgeon was wrong in her prognosis!

You don’t need to die if you don’t undergo chemo and radiation!

The irony is that even with chemo and radiation Ella was told she only has two and a half years!

The first word Ella said to me when we met in Singapore: I am still alive!

Let us celebrate this wonderful blessing!








Endometrial Cancer: Clean after surgery but one oncologist said go for chemo, another said radiation!

Wati is a 73-year-old Indonesian lady. In April 2019 she suffered vaginal bleeding. This lasted for about a week and then the bleeding stopped. But two weeks later the bleeding recurred.

In  May 2019, Wati underwent an operation – TAH-BSO,  in a Surabaya hospital. The histopathology report indicated endometriod adenocarcinoma.

Wati was asked to undergo 6 cycles of chemotherapy. She was not sure of what to do.

Wati and her family came to a private hospital in Penang for a second opinion. Before meeting the oncologist, she and her family came to consult us first. My advice to her: Since you have already made an appointment to see the oncologist, why don’t you go ahead and listen to what he has got to offer you! After the consultation, if you need my help then come back and see me again. Wati did exactly that. I did not ask her to take any herbs.

MRI of the pelvis was done on 23 May 2019. The report said, Past total hysterectomy and bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy for uterine carcinoma, with post surgical changes noted around the vaginal stump extending into the right adnexal region. No evidence of local recurrence or regional lymphadenopathy noted.

I received an e-mail from Wati’s daughter asking for an urgent appointment to see me again. Yes, I agreed to meet the family immediately that Friday evening.

The gist of our conversation.

  1. The oncologist told Wati that everything is “clean”. There is no need for her to undergo chemotherapy. However, the oncologist recommended that Wati undergoes 20 sessions of radiation treatment.
  2. I asked Wati if the oncologist ever tell why she has to undergo radiotherapy when everything is clean. After all it is just a Stage 1 cancer. Wati was told that undergoing radiotherapy is to prevent the cancer from recurring in the near future.
  3. I explained to Wati and her family that radiation can cause cancer. This is a fact. Click this link: https://www.webmd.com/cancer/qa/can-radiation-therapy-cause-cancer.
  4. We also know that radiation can cause the cancer to spread. It can also make the cancer more aggressive Click these links: https://twgbreastcancer.com/2017/02/20/radiation-therapy-can-cause-cancer-spread/ https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20080610/treatment-can-make-cancer-stronger#1
  5. Undergoing radiotherapy would be “fine” if it is not cancer-causing or if it has no long-term side effects.
  • There was a man who had radiation-induced sarcoma after receiving radiation for his nose cancer.
  • There was a lady who underwent radiotherapy after her hysterectomy. Soon after she ended up going in and out of the hospital because her abdomen was full of smelly pus. Then the cancer spread to her liver. Some four years later, her urinary bladder was affected and she discharged “rotten tissues”. The doctor had to install “urinary tubes” to help pass her urine. Her problem, according to her doctor, was due to previous radiation treatment.
  1. Even though MRI showed she is “clean” it does not mean that the surgery had removed all the cancer inside her. It may just mean that MRI cannot detect the cancer cells inside her.
  2. I made it clear that taking our herbs and following our therapy will not guarantee that she will be cured. The cancer can come back if she is not careful. Besides taking the herbs, she has to change her lifestyle and diet. Go for exercise and learn to cultivate peace of mind.
  3. I suggested to Wati and her family to discuss among themselves and make their own decision. I can only help but I cannot promise a cure.
  4. Wati decided not to undergo any chemotherapy or radiotherapy.
  5. It is a big surprise that the person who did most of the talking this evening was her daughter. And she lives in Beijing, China! Perhaps this daughter knows what herbs can do!


After the surgery, MRI indicates everything is “clean”. It is just a Stage 1 cancer. The oncologist in Surabaya suggested that Wati undergoes 6 cycles of chemotherapy. The oncologist in Penang suggested 20 sessions of radiotherapy and it is not necessary to undergo chemotherapy.

Let me ask: Who do you think gave the “right” advice? Or did both of them gave a bad advice? Do you ever wonder where is the “proven science” in treating this case? Does it ever strike you that someone is gambling with your life?

Wati is already 73 years old. As it is now, she is leading a normal healthy life after the surgery. Is there any necessity for her to go to war with her cancer? In any war, there will always be casualty and suffering. Is it not better that she learns how to live with her cancer?

I was glad that Wati and her family members decided “not to do anything”! She wanted to take herbs instead.

When Wati’s daughter sent me a message that Friday afternoon, I readily told her to see me at 5 pm at the centre. I am glad that I did that. After our consultation, I came to understand that Wati’s daughter had to take a flight back to Beijing the next morning. Sometimes, a small favour extended to others, can lead to good things! The whole family was satisfied and  happy.






Endometrial Cancer: Her Cancer Recurred Four Years After Surgery. More and more chemo would not cure her!

Eka is a 56-year-old lady from Jakarta. She was diagnosed with endometrial cancer by a doctor in Jakarta and underwent a total hysterectomy. The histopathology report dated 11 July 2013 indicated cervical polyp with cyst; endometrosis duplex — endometroid carcinoma.

After the surgery, Eka was asked to undergo chemotherapy. She refused the treatment. Eka sought a second opinion from another doctor in Jakarta. She was told to take hormonal drugs, instead of chemo. Not satisfied, Eka came to consult another doctor in a private hospital in Penang.

A check-up in Penang indicated everything was okay. Her CA 125 was normal.

In 2017 (i.e. four years later), Eka had pains in her back. She came back to Penang again and consulted with the same doctor she had met earlier.

A CT scan was done and there was a 9 cm cyst in her peritoneal cavity. Eka underwent another operation to remove the cyst. The histopathology report confirmed a high grade peritoneal serous carcinoma — left pelvic cyst wall. This operation cost her RM30,000.

From January 2018 to April/May 2018, Eka underwent chemotherapy. The drugs used were Carboplatin and Paclitaxel. Each cycle of chemo cost RM2,900. Eka received a total of 6 cycles. (Note: The same treatment using the same drugs costs SGD7,000 (RM21,000) per cycle if done in Singapore by a well known oncologist).

After the completion of the treatment, USG in May 2018, indicated everything was clean — okay! Her CA125 was normal. Eka was told to come back for review every three months.

In August 2018, CT scan done at the cancer hospital where she had her chemotherapy showed good results. Everything was okay.

In May 2019 (less than a year), CT showed the cancer had recurred.

  • Lung – 2 mm nodule seen in the left upper lobe.
  • Heterogenous lobulated mass in the left pelvis measuring 4.9 x 4.5 cm seen abetting the adjacent bowel loops.

Impression: New peritoneal deposits or nodal metastasis in keeping with disease recurrence.

On 13 May 2019, her CA125 was at 158.4. Ten days later, 23 May 2019, her CA125 shot up to 385. Eka was asked to undergo chemotherapy immediately as the cancer seemed to be aggressive. She was scheduled for 6 cycles of chemotherapy using the same drugs used earlier — Carboplatin and Pactitaxel.

After Eka received one cycle of this chemo, she received a message in her hand phone asking her to see us. So a day after receiving her chemo, Eka and her husband came to seek our help. Listen to our conversation this morning:

Chris: What do you want to do now? Do you want to still continue with your chemo? Actually what is your expectation when you come here? What do you expect me to do for you?

Taking Herbs While On Chemotherapy

Husband: From your website, I read that your therapy is just a supplementary treatment. We hope that in addition to the medical treatment, we can  also take your herbs (Note: This perception is not quite right!).

C: If you want to take the herbs and at the same time undergo chemotherapy, I suggest that you tell your oncologist first. Ask him if this is okay.

H: I have never asked the doctor about that.

C: It is better that you ask your doctor first. He may be angry with you. What if he says, “no herbs while on chemo”? So, what you want to do next? I know that most oncologists will not allow their patients to take herbs while on chemo. On top of that, I also know that they may blame the herbs if the cancer comes back after the chemo!

Eka: Oh, you mean if the cancer recurs, that is because I take your herbs during the chemo?

Husband: We have never taken herbs before.

C: Your story of recurrence after chemotherapy is common. Cisplatin, carboplatin, etc. — read the medical literature and you will know that it does not cure the cancer. The cancer recurs after such treatment. And that is also what happened to you. After 6 cycles of carboplatin + Paclitaxel, the cancer recurred after a year. So what happened to you is nothing unusual … a common story. But what can I do? People believe the doctors!

Pray and ask God for His Guidance

C: Let’s pray and ask God to tell you what to do.

Husband: We feel that God led us to see you.

C: Yes, many patients often tell me the same.

Husband: I just got to know you. Tell us if we should continue with the chemo or start taking your herbs.

C: I cannot answer that question.

Husband: We want to take your herbs because we believe God had sent us to see you.

Eka: Doctor, since I was had cancer in 2017, 2018 and 2019, no one has ever told us about you. We have never heard of CA Care. Then in 2019 after my CA125 started to increase, I discussed my problem with my WhatsApp group. I got messages pointing me to Pak Kiantoro. His message was to seek your help. I did not know who he is. Then my husband. He had never discussed my problem with anyone. He too started to have messages (not WhatsApp group) informing him to come and see CA Care. We started to think how could this be.

Before Undergoing Any Treatment Ask These Questions First

C: I always tell patients that before they proceed with any treatment (or surgery) always ask the doctor these questions. One,  can the treatment or procedure cure me? Two, how much does the treatment cost? Three, what are the side effects.

Eka:  The oncologist had already said chemotherapy is not going to cure me. The cancer will recur and recur.

C; That is why I said — before doing anything ask first. But unfortunately many patients do it the other way round. After they have undergone all the treatments and these failed, only they would start asking their doctors why there is no cure.

 Think First Before You Follow Our Therapy

 Husband:  We want to try your herbs … we want to try.

C: Okay. You need to know that only you and you alone who can cure yourself. My herbs are not magic portions. But I can also tell you that I have seen miracles happen after patients follow our therapy. They need to change their diet, lifestyle, attitude, etc. So let’s be patient. We can’t rush.

Learn to Live With Your Cancer

 C: I often tell patients to learn how to live with their cancers! Like you, there is a lump in your body. If you don’t do the scan you don’t even know that there is a lump in there. For now, even the lump is there, you can still live a normal life. So if you take care of yourself — even for the next ten years — the lump will be still there. Let it be. Learn to live with your cancer. Tell the cancer, please don’t disturb me and I will not disturb you. Let us live together in peace.

This cancer is not an “outsider” — it is your own. Tell the cancer, if I die you (cancer) will also die. So let’s live together. I am asking you to regard cancer as your friend not your enemy. Look at the world today, what happen to the countries and their people if they fight with each other. So there is no need to fight with the cancer within you.

This is why I don’t encourage to go for a scan months after months. Ask this question: So what can I do if there is a mass inside there? Go for more chemo? The mass may disappear for a while and then comes back again. Then you go for more chemo again! There is no end if you start a war.

Most Important: Do You Get Better or Worse After Taking the Herbs?

C: The only question I ask you after taking the herbs for a month: Do you get worse or better? If you are getting better, then proceed to do what you are doing that makes you better. But if you say that the therapy makes you worse, then I must say I really don’t know how to help you anymore. It is better that you stop taking our herbs.

Let me tell you, very often I “win in this game”. But you need to know that it is you and you alone who can cure yourself. So don’t worry so much. Pray and God bless you.

Endometrial Cancer: After surgery, she refused chemotherapy. And she is well.

NT is a 61-year-old lady from Indonesia. Her problem started with vaginal bleeding. Otherwise she had no other symptoms.

A CT scan on 4 December 2017 showed cancer of the endometrium

NT underwent an operation in Medan, her hometown. This cost IDR 40 million (RM12K).

The histopathology report confirmed a moderately adenocarcinoma of the endometrium. Unfortunately, the cancer had spread out of the uterine and cervical wall. The peritoneal fluid contained malignant cells.

NT was asked to undergo follow up chemotherapy and radiotherapy. She refused.

Why did she not go for chemo?

NT’s son said the family heard so much about the bad effects of chemo and radiation. So her mother decided not to undergo such treatments.

We prescribed NT herbs and told her to take care of her diet.

Nine months later, NT’s son came back and reported that his mother is doing fine. Listen to our conversation.



The blood test results confirmed that NT was doing well indeed in spite of not undergoing chemo and radiation.

  9 January 2018 before herbs 10 August 2018 after herbs

30 H


CA 125

76.5 H

28.8 (normal)


When NT first came to see us nine months ago, I was rather skeptical if the herbs can help her in anyway. This was because the cancer had already spread. But praise God NT is well for now.

Her CA125 dropped to normal, from 76 to 28. However, I reminded NT’s son that this is not a cure at all. Her CA125 may rise again. So NT should continue to do what she has been doing that made her well. Keep to the good diet, maintain a healthy lifestyle and drink the herbal teas.

While CA125 is a good indicator of well being for NT, what is more important is for her to feel well and getting better and better with each passing day.



Cancer of the Endometrium Stage 3B: No Chemo, No Radiation – Only On Herbs

GS (T791) is a 54 year-old lady.  A cervical biopsy and endometrial curetting indicated a moderately differentiated adenocarcinoma of the endometirum. Subsequently, GS underwent a surgery – TAHBSO (total abdominal hysterectomy-bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy) at a private hospital. The pathology report confirmed a well differentiated adenocarcinoma of the endometrium, classical endometrioid type, Stage 3B (T2bNxMx), tumour invades into cervical stroma. Associated lesion: leiomyoma uteri.

After the surgery, GS was asked to undergo radiotherapy. She refused. Then she was asked to go for chemotherapy, again she refused.

 GS came to seek our help on 9 April 2008 and was started on herbs – Capsule A, C-tea and Cervical 1 and 2 teas. In April 2012, GS would have been on herbs for FOUR years.  GS is doing fine. Initially when she took the herbs, she had a bit of pulling pain. This was probably due to the surgery. Then she had hot flashes. This problem was resolved after taking our Menopause Pill. GS did not have any other complaints. She has been taking these herbs “religiously” besides taking care of her diet.

Cancer of the Endometrium: No chemo you live only three months, with chemo two and a half years! With herbs she is still having fun after more than THREE years

Spring cleaning is a great Chinese tradition. I now understand its benefit.  I got caught up with this tradition in a half-hearted way on 18 January 2012 – just four days before the Year of the Dragon (2012) sets in.   Actually I was not “spring cleaning” at all. I just spent one morning clearing some of the untidy “old papers” left on my shelves – to be “recycled” at our centre.

To my surprise I “discovered” many things. And one of which are the faxes and medical reports that Ella wrote me four years ago. I knew I kept them somewhere. I have been hunting for them earlier but could not find them.  This morning I found them.  Because of this I can now relate to you Ella’s story with much confidence (I don’t do this with no evidence.)

27 November 2008: We received a three-page fax from Australia with the following message:

“Here are the results of the tests. I am going in for an operation tomorrow 28 November 2008. And looking forward to all this behind me. I will call as soon as possible. Thank you so much for your support and love. Good health and lots of laughter. Love, Ella.”

Her medical report indicated, “in the pelvis, the uterus is markedly enlarged with extensive hetergenous soft tissues measuring 7 x 10 cm in maximal diameters, entirely consistent with endometrial tumour. Conclusion: Intrauterine tumour. Poorly differentiated carcinoma favouring uterine origin. No evidence of tumour spread elsewhere.”

The doctor suggested that Ella undergo surgery as soon as possible. We concurred and urged Ella to go ahead as soon as she was ready for it.

12 December 2008: We received an eleven-page fax from Ella.

“Chris, here are the reports from the hospital. I hope it gives you a clearer picture of my condition. I look forward to receiving your herbs. And am doing all I can to return my body to wellness. Thanking you for all your help and God bless.”

19 November 2008:  Ella’s CA 125 was at 70 (High – below 45 is considered normal).

28 November 2008: Operative specimen: TAHBSO (total abdominal hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy), omentum and left and right pelvic nodes.

Size: 75 x 65 mm  Conclusion: Extensively necrotic poorly differentiated adenocarcinoma of the endometrium, consistent with Grade 3 endometrioid carcinoma with myoinvasion 11 of 14 mm and focal lymphovascular space involvement. No tumour identified in six right pelvic and five pelvic nodes.

Cytology report:  “Endometrial cancer. Peritoneal washings – no cytological evidence of malignancy.”

Ella was started on herbs right away – Capsule A, C-tea, Utero-ovary 1 and 2 and T & E teas.

What happened after that is a wonderful success story. Let Ella tell you her story.

The surgeon said: No chemo, you have three months. With chemo, it would be two-and-a-half years. What?



Given a choice – which one would you choose?

Do chemo and live for two-and-a-half years inclusive of the side effects,

OR, have a solid one-year life of happiness without chemo?



(Note: These videos were recorded in mid-September 2009. Ella came to Penang for a week’s holiday. It was our pleasure to welcome her to this Island Paradise. One evening we sat down to talk.)

I am writing this story on 18 January 2012. It has been THREE YEARS and1 TWO MONTH and Ella is still doing well. And she is still taking the herbs and no chemo of course. Let me reproduce some of the e-mails she wrote us.

14 October 2009

Hi Chris and Im,

I have viewed the video and it is fine now.  Thank you. It would be good if it gives people hope to be open minded and believe that cancer need not be a death sentence, if they choose to adopt the more natural and none invasive approach.   They need to question their doctors  “Why they condemn the natural way of treating cancer”  “Where do they get the proof that these treatments do not work.”  If it is from their medical journals then this is a bias conclusion as it is in the interest of their profession to dominate the sickness industry.

We have been brainwashed for too long into thinking that this INDUSTRY has our best interest at heart.  If this was so then they would not seek out and destroy real facts and evidence which has been proven to assist the many illnesses we see in our society to-day.

In my research I have found that the people who are speaking out against the use of  chemo and radiation are in fact medical doctors and scientists who see the same miserable results time and time again. 

1 November 2009

Hi Chris and Im,

Got your email and thank you for letting me know about the book, I will find a copy. Sadly their findings are rarely printed in the notable medical journals like the LANCET etc. How sad to think that one day the truth will come out about the drug companies hold on Cancer research and treatments but tens of thousands of people would have died needlessly.  It breaks my heart to think about it.

In Australia, the people are so blinded and even when shown proof of natural research, they do not want to know.  It is wonderful work that you do Chris and Im and you have given hope and healing to so many.

We had an electrical storm here last night which was amazing to watch.  The skies also opened up and dumped more rain in 1 hour than we have had for over 3yrs.  It is very warm here now and it looks like another hot summer with temps. way over 45degrees.  So glad we have a pool to cool down.

Thinking of you both with much love. Ella xx
18 January 2011

Hi Im and Chris,

Thank goodness the Christmas period is over as it was rather busy with catching up with lots of friends and family.   We, in Australia have our holidays at this time.

All is well and I am fit and healthy and looking forward to another exciting year. I just wish the years would slow up a bit as they seem to fly past.   There is definitely never a dull moment. Did I forward the DVDs to you Im, I’ve forgotten. These are on health. Even when people see that I am so well, they still will not take on their own healing with the help of people as Chris.

We will have two more grandchildren this year, making it, six now. This is what I meant. There’s never a dull moment.

The floods here are devastating. We are flooded but from inside out.  A hot water pipe burst and after a week we are now drying out and assessing the damage. Always thinking of you both and I will call soon.

It has been over two years now since taking teas and I feel great. What would I do without you? I will always be eternally grateful.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have more energy than a 20-year-old.  Most children over here are always tired as they are nutritionally deficient.

Love to you both.   Ella xx

6 November 2011

Hi Chris and Im,

We have been away on holiday travelling many thousands of miles crossing three states. It is amazing how big our country is.  It took us three weeks and there was not a lot of time to explore. All is well and with another baby grandson this now makes six.   It is always fun to be with them as I can act like a child and get away with it.

Too many people are dying here with cancer. It is quite heart breaking to see them follow the cancer trail system (as I call it.)    I met a lady yesterday who had brain cancer and when I mentioned there is another way apart from chemo she said ” My oncologist would never allow me to try something natural, as it does not work. I must do as I am told or he will get angry and not help me.”   There is no hope for such a person as they are like sheep and feel there is nothing they can do for themselves.

On a brighter note, we are at last out of winter and into some warm weather again. I love the warm evenings and a walk along the beach.  We visited a Buddhist temple yesterday and spent the day there, meditating, listening to words of love and caring for our wonderful world and eating good clean food.

How are Albert and Irene doing? How long do they have in America with their studies?  I hope you and Chris are well and enjoying life to the full.  I love the stories and info Chris puts on emails and thank you as the more I know the more I can avail to those who need it.   I will never understand people who need to come and see Chris but won’t.  It seems that the SYSTEM has too a strong hold on them.

Thinking of you both and I send my love. Ella xx

August 2018

A lovely note from Ella ….

Ella edited note Aug 18


From her e-mails, what do you think of Ella as a person? Cancer patients can learn to be like her. From her e-mails above, you will note that Ella is:

  1. Enjoying life to the fullest – busy being a grandmother of six kids, and at the same time being a wife running a happy family.
  2. She is not a “lamb easily led to the slaughter.” She worked for her healing. Actually we knew Ella way before she had cancer. She is a health activist in Australia and she has been helping cancer patients as well, but to the same extend as we do in CA Care due to the limitations imposed by the laws of her country.
  3. Many patients say they have “positive attitudes.” Saying is one thing, practising it is another.
  4. I have posed this question to Ella when she came to visit us about a year after taking the herbs.  Given a choice – which one would you choose? Do chemo and live for two-and-a-half years OR have a solid one-year life of happiness without chemo?  Ella took a “calculated risk” or “gambled” with her life so to say and she won. She had lived longer than what her doctor had predicted. Even with chemo she was told she would have only two and half years – and remember most of the time spent going in and out of the hospital. But with the herbs, she suffered no side effects and she had lived a good life.

What else can you ever bargain for? And what additional proof do you need to believe?