6 February 2023 Chris wrote:

• Hello Stev, never heard from you. How are you getting on. Sorry I did not write earlier.

8 February 2023

Dear Chris Teo,

This is S, Steve’s daughter. Thank you for reaching out to check on my father’s condition.

It saddens me to send you this news. My dad passed away on Friday 30th December 2022. Although it’s all been quite difficult to take in, we find comfort in the fact that dad passed away very peacefully with myself, my mother, and other loved ones present. The funeral service took place between 4 to 7 January 2023. It was a magical experience, hundreds of friends and family members attended what was a true celebration of dad’s amazing life.

I know that my dad updated you about his condition whenever he could. However, he was admitted to hospital on 25th December 2022 and was no longer able to reply emails since the Christmas period. Before my dad passed away, he asked me to update you about his condition and also thank you for all the help and advice that you had given to him over the years.

The operation went smoothly. The lump was removed on 17th September 2022. The surgeon informed us that he had removed most of the cancer (around 90%), but that he could not remove more than this in fear of hitting a nerve. The surgeon advised my dad to have radiation … Dad opted for palliative care. My dad passed away around 3 months after the operation.

Once again, thank you for all your help and advice. You were a crucial part in helping my dad in his fight against cancer. My Mother and I are extremely grateful. Warm regards, S.Taylor

8 February 2023 Chris wrote:

Hello S, I am sorry to write you again. I hope I don’t disturb you too much. I have a few questions to ask:

The last email I got from him was 4 Dec and he died on 30 Dec. In his last email he said he wanted to go away and stay with family and forget about the problem, did you manage to do this?

After that what happened?

a) Did he go to the hospital for any treatment?

b) If so what treatment — radiation? chemo? how many times?

c) You were with him when he died. Did he suffer before he died? Any pain?

d) Did he die at home with the family or in hospital.

Thanks so much. Chris.

13 February 2023.

Hi Chris,

In response to your first question, we did manage a short “staycation” at my dad’s favourite hotel, The Mandarin Oriental Bangkok, from 11 to 13 December. By this time, my dad was already suffering with a lot of pain in his wound. A long car journey to another city would have been too much for him. So we settled for a nice hotel in Bangkok.

Despite the pain, my dad insisted on taking my mother and myself to the Mandarin Oriental Hotel to celebrate their 28th Wedding Anniversary, in what would be our last holiday together as a family. We feel extremely lucky to have had this holiday together. Please find a family photo from the short “staycation” attached below.

(Picture posted with kindly permission of the family. Thank you!)

a) My dad did not go to the hospital. He stayed at home. Since no other medication could help to subside the pain, the doctor agreed to prescribe morphine for my dad in mid-November. I believe he initially took around 1 cc of morphine, once a day. The doctor who prescribed the morphine told us that my dad could increase the dosage as the pain became greater, and also warned us of the side-effects. Therefore, as the pain in my dad’s wound became greater, he gradually increased the dosage from 1 cc a day, to 1 cc 2 times a day, to 1 cc 3 times a day, to 2 cc 3 times a day, and so on. By the 20 December, my dad was taking 4 cc of morphine almost every 2 hours whenever the pain was extremely bad. If there was no pain, then he would not take any morphine.

b) My dad did not have any radiation or chemotherapy. He opted for palliative care. In addition to the pain in his wound, my dad also had a very bad sore throat. It became increasingly difficult for him to eat solid foods. By the beginning of December, he would prefer to eat liquid foods such as soup, oatmeal, or Thai porridge. It was also evident that my dad began to eat less and less. He warned me that he did not have much time left.

On 24 December, my dad had unbearable pain. He remained in bed for the entire day and refused to eat anything at all. He would only get up to use the toilet, with myself and my mum supporting him while he walked. Also, my dad would only drink water and he took 3 cc of morphine before he went to bed.

On 25 December, my dad’s unbearable pain continued. He refused to eat or drink anything. He even refused to drink water. On this day, my dad rolled onto his right side (the side where his wound was) while he was in bed. As a result, the wound broke and he began to lose a lot of blood and yellow liquid. Therefore, my mum and I decided it best to call the ambulance.

c) My dad was admitted to N Hospital on 25th December. We decided on this hospital because my dad preferred it. He said that the doctors respected his decision to refuse radiation and chemotherapy. At the hospital, my dad received oxygen support, IV fluids, and morphine.

Having witnessed my dad in unbearable pain for the previous two days, it was at least good to see him free of any pain. He did not suffer any pain over the next 5 days while he was in hospital. However, since his wound broke on 25 December, he was not able to speak anymore.

My dad fell into a semi-coma while in hospital. He would only open his eyes when the nurses cleaned him or when they used the suction machine to remove the saliva.

d) My dad passed away in hospital on 30 December, free of any pain and very peacefully with myself, my mother, and other loved ones present. Before he passed, he opened his eyes widely and looked for myself and my mother, as if to say farewell. It was heartbreaking, but as I mentioned, it comforted us to see that dad was no longer in any pain.

Warm regards, S. Taylor

Before surgery

14 September 2022, 5:12 AM Steve sent this note:

• Just have to do the best I can.
• It’s a help just to be able to talk to someone like you.
• No reply needed.

14 September 2022, 3:40 PM, Steve wrote:

Afternoon Dr. Chris. I read through your excellent booklet and couldn’t agree more with it.

• The very first step in healing is for every cancer patient to recognise the influence of his own mind on his illness and recovery process. A negative mindset leads to more trouble and possibly unnecessary death, while a positive mindset gears you towards recovery. How could I possibly disagree?

• But it’s one thing to say, and a completely different kettle of fish to do. I’m not a defeatist, only a realist. For example, I’m sure a belief in a higher power may be very supportive for some people. But try telling that to Einstein or most other Nobel Prize winners. I can’t fool myself into believing something that I don’t believe in. I don’t believe in karma or rebirth.

• I’ve tried listening to healing music on YT, but as in standard meditation, my mind soon wanders off in all directions. The best antidote for  me is to remain active and especially when my bubbly 27 year old daughter is around. Can’t fail to smile then, and you would too if you met her!

• Worst is when I’m sitting alone feeling unwell with this constant pressure on the cheek.

So thanks again Chris for all you’ve done.

14 September 2022, 6:10 PM, Steve wrote:

• Hello Chris, I feel guilty using up all your time.

14 September 2022, 8:00 PM, Steve wrote:

• People such as yourself restore my frayed faith in humanity.

14 September 2022, 8:21 PM, Steve wrote:

• I cannot describe the emotion I feel … All I can possibly say is … THANK YOU !!!!

After surgery

18 September 2022, 10:13 PM Steve wrote:

Dear Dr. Chris,

• Here’s a short update. I’m now wrapped up in bandages so don’t know what it looks like. Probably a couple days more of that. There’s a bottle draining liquid from the cheek which the nurse said looked normal.

• I had the operation on 17 September at S Hospital to remove the tumor.

• The expert surgeon came to see me with the following news.

The good points:

1. He considers the surgery a success.

• He removed a large 6 cm tumor on the cheek causing the lump, with minor damage to the nerve.

• This minor nerve damage may heal itself in a few weeks.

• My right eye still mostly works ok. I can close my mouth to drink (with some difficulty but I can manage). See how it goes over the next few weeks but he is pleased.

• The cancer has not spread to the throat.

• He did say that despite the problems below, he still says in his opinion that the op will give me better “quality of life’ but I haven’t discussed with him yet if he thinks it will extend life.

The not so good news:

1. He could not remove a tumor on the other side of the nerve, because to do so would damage the nerve. I agreed completely.

• He suspected that the cancer had gone to a lymph gland on the neck.

• My own opinion on all this is that is exactly what I expected, assuming he is correct in the ‘quality of life’ bit.

• Since I saw the ENT Specialist 3 months ago when the cancer was diagnosed by MRI scan and fine needle biopsy, it was clear to me that the cancer could not be “cured” by standard methods.

• I agreed with the surgery only because the lump was growing bigger, even with herbs and the cannabis oil, and could become a serious problem.

• It did offer more (but for how long?) ‘quality of life”.

• Also, I agreed with everyone that surgery was the best thing to do, and maybe I could try different herbs if that’s what you think.

This hospital is very good and the standard of care and attention has been excellent. But of course there have been problems.

1. They seem to have a diet specialist who has followed my recommendations of a veg diet, no milk, with rice soup. Seems healthy food. But they also gave me a sugary drink (to increase my strength?) and a sugary donut! I asked the dietician to stop the sugar and she readily agreed. Good.

• Language problem. Essentially, they are giving me large doses of antibiotic to prevent infection, namely an IV antibiotic, an injected antibiotic, and pills antibiotic. Today I had hot flushes and felt unwell.

Could it be the current large doses of antibiotic which were causing the hot sweat  and my feeling unwell? Another doc came and explained that the symptoms for a reaction to antibiotic were heart palpitations, chest pains, and skin rashes. Since I don’t have those symptoms then he doesn’t think my feeling unwell is due to the antibiotic, even though I feel better now they’ve stopped giving it to me.

• The nurse clearly told me in English they had to “open the wound’ on my cheek” to do something. I said in that case please give me pain killer because I don’t want pain. But the doctor said Nooooo, they are simply going to change the dressing.

So what did I learn from all this?

• I think I was correct in (our) thinking that surgery would not be a cure, but hopefully it would give me more “quality of life”.

• There is a language problem.

• Thai doctors and nurses are not used to people – mainly Westeners –  asking questions and get peeved when we do. The Thai patients never ask questions, which is a big mistake. As I said to the doctor tonight, I am not a doctor, but I’m just telling them my concerns, but it’s a language problem. Please don’t think I’m criticizing anybody.

• No comment needed unless you disagree with what I said.

19 September 2022, 8:33 AM Steve wrote:

Thanks Chris.

• A bothersone problem is the cyst at the back of the throat — they gave some throat spray for temporary relief which doesn’t help much.

• Another issue I have constipation. No dumps 2 days. So I told them I had this years ago for weeks and NOTHING worked (I tried many things) until someone suggested a PROBIOTIC. Bought a good one called “Primal Defence” and it cleared it up in one day, as if magic. This morning they told me they have to follow the hospital rules          (groan, I never like rules) and give me a laxative. But if they doesn’t work they will let me try the probiotic.

• They changed the dressing this morning and said it would remain on for another 4 to 5 days.

• The doc who came gave me more info about the operation. As far as I understand, they took out all the tumors, but did not remove all of the gland in case it damaged the nerve. He said the surgery doc was very careful about this. They could not see any more cancer by eye in the remaining bits of gland. Forgot to ask about the lymph node. So I suggest we can call it a win for now Chris.

21 September 2022, 10:12 AM Steve wrote:

Good morning Chris.

• They removed the bandages and drain tube this morning. Will be discharged to go home today.

• But when they removed the bandages the young doctors immediately saw an “abnormality” behind the right ear.

The surgeon came and said as follows.

• He removed most of the tumors, as far as he can see by eye, but he could not remove all the margins in order to prevent more serious nerve damage. However, the cancer had spread like branches of a tree so he could not remove everything. Maybe 99%.

• But they have now seen signs of skin lesions over the scalp and possible tumor behind the ear. By his demeanor I could tell he was concerned. This requires further investigation to see the origins of this progression.

• He mentioned they might recommend light radiation on the troublesome areas as a palliative measure.

• I said I understood completely, but there comes a time when we must just consider palliative care and quality of life. This was never meant as a cure.

• He said we can discuss with the radiologist after several weeks. I said that’s fine, because I want to discuss this with my herbalist. He was very open and agreeable to this, not anti herbs at all.

• He also said that he would make another appointment at S Hospital in about 10 days and he specifically asked my daughter to go with me. When a doc says that I know the news will not be good. I get that.

So Chris, perhaps we can wait to see if they can find out more about the skin problem and then consider what herbs to try, and whether or not to do radiation or other types of intervention. Let me know what you think when you get time.

• Three days cleaning wound at home, and on 3rd day go to some clinic to remove the stitches. 

• Day by day we do the best we can. Just want to go on a trip somewhere with my family. 

21 September 2022, 12:46 Steve wrote:

• Actually, I don’t feel well at all at the moment. Heavy head and some discomfort around the incision.

• Sore throat.

• Hopefully just trauma from the surgery but I feel worse than before except for the lump removed.

• BP high.

• I can walk and talk.

• So my feeling is to restart your herbs now, rather than wait until I see the doc again.

• Can I continue with some or all of the herbs you sent me?

As far as I know:

1. Cancer on the cheek and neck area.
2. Parotid gland cancer largely removed. 99%?
3. “Abnormality” behind right ear.
4. Lymph node unknown status right now.
5. Maybe skin cancer on scalp, unknown cause.
6. Possibility going to brain. Doc asked if I had any symptoms. Heavy feeling on brain but can think ok.
7. Cyst on throat. Unknown status.

I just follow your advice Chris. Nothing else I can do now. Day by day. Try to stay positive.

21 September 2022, 8:24 PM Steve wrote:

• Now at home. Main problem is throat is quite bad. Cyst? Bandages pressing on throat? Effect of op/meds? Cancer? Cough mixture type stuff from doc has little effect.

• Inclined to try your PAIN HERB as you suggest.

• Wouldn’t feel so bad without the throat problem.

• It is now just 4th day after major op. Must be patient.

• Advised to go to any clinic to renew dressing around the face to protect the incision for next 3 days.

• So my feeling is to restart your herbs now, rather than wait until I see the doc again.

PLEASE DON’T REPLY UNLESS YOU WANT TO FOR SOME REASON. THANKS FOR SOUND ADVICE.JUST FOR INFO.

23 September 2022, 9:24 AM Steve wrote:

• Yesterday I had the bandages removed and the dressing replaced over the surgery wound  at the Camillian Hospital near to where I live, according to written instructions from S Hospital.

• The doc there remarked that he thought the surgeon did a very good job.

• About 3 hours after that I had quite severe pain over the cheek area of maybe 7 to 8 on the 0 to10 pain scale.

• I took 1 tbs of your PAIN HERBS and the pain subsided to maybe a 2 to 3.

• I don’t think the S Hospita-supplied cough medicine type stuff does much good.

I’ve since looked online and found that pain after major surgery can last for several weeks.

24 September 2022, 9:29 PM Steve wrote:

• RESTARTING HERBS – I agree not really necessary now, and in any case I need a rest after the surgery ordeal, and maybe go away with my family.

• STATUS – Today had the stitches removed. Doc said the wound looked good. I did one Ibuprofen 400 mg pain meds prior to this.

• In afternoon felt quite well, better than before, but at around 7 p.m. felt a sharp pain on the brain, which concerned me so I had a glass of PAIN herb and a bit later 1 more Ibuprofen med. As at 8:30 pm pain much less and I feel relatively OK.

• So Chris, unless you have anything particular to say, I will leave you in peace and not use up your valuable time so much.

29 September 2022, 5:47 AM Steve wrote:

• My status about the same. Fairly constant pain around 3 to 4/10.
• Uncomfortable feeling and numbness (nerve damage) on the cheek near the right ear, where there appears to be bruising.

• Still constant sore throat, but better than the days after the op.

• Still able to do a few things to keep me busy, as long as I don’t try to do too much when I feel ill.

• About pain meds. You might not agree with the following. I understand.

I was discharged from S Hospital without any guidance on pain management, except a bunch of pills to help nerve damage, various cough mixture potions, sleeping pills, and some PARACETAMOL for pain! Unknown to me, one of the staff suggested to my wife to buy IBUPROFEN for pain control.

• After a few days I found the cough mixtute stuff quite ineffective so stopped taking it, or taking very little.

• Otherwise, I do take the nerve and sleeping pills (most nights). I also take meds to allow me to pee (BPH), and eye drops for eye pressure (to prevent glaucoma), and another eye drop (for cataracts).

1 December 2022, 4:11 PM Steve wrote:

• My condition has deteriorated.

3 December 2022, 2:28 PM Steve wrote:

• Please tell me if these updates are of no use to you, and just cluttering up your email IN box. I will understand.

Most interesting trip to the government N Hospital.

• I first saw a young female doc at their Pain Management section. Very good doc who listened intently to what I had to say and asked pertinent questions. She prescribed a morphine based med to take if the pain reached a 5+ level. 

• Then on to their Palliative Care section where a nurse and a woman in civilian clothes spoke at length to my daughter in Thai. This person is a university lecturer and found my story interesting and asked if she could share it with her students. I said absolutely she can if she thinks it would be helpful to them. Gives me some purpose in life if anything substantial came out of it. They exchanged contact details for follow-ups. I’ve asked my daughter to send her my prostate cancer story which is online.

• Then there is an ENT doc who doesn’t impress me much. He’s paranoid about Covid for one thing. He  refused to offer assistance and told me to go back to S Hospital. Oh well, sometimes this happens in life.

4 December 2022, 3:08 PM Steve wrote:

Hello Dr. Chris, 

• Sorry to say, I only managed to restart the full herb program for one day but felt so unwell that I had to stop.

• Just one thing to say about the herbs. Maybe you think I’m talking rubbish. You may well be right! Since each of us is an individual with different reactions to things, would it be possible that so many different herbs taken during the day might be counter-productive?

• They have an English expression “Too many cooks spoil the broth.” Might the same apply to the herbs? Shoot me down in flames if you consider this nonsense.

With surgery you can live longer and have better quality of life

2 September 2022, 9:34 PM Steve wrote:

Hello Dr. Chris,

• So I went with my daughter (S) to a private hospital to see the specialized surgeon who normally works at the main government S hospital. They would definitely have the best equipment. S and I were rather impressed with him although we only had about 20 minutes to talk.

• He gave his opinion without being pushy or insisting on anything. He thinks I require surgery. When asked if he was proposing a “cure” he was quite open about it, saying that if the tumor was small they could consider it a cure, but my cancer is more serious. However, the surgery would give me more time and a better quality of life.

• When asked about the prognosis if I don’t do anything, he did not know but suggested possibly 2 to 3 years, which is what the other doc told me. He said (like other docs have told me) if I do nothing the cancer could spread to other organs, the nerve running through the gland, and to the brain. It could also break out of the skin which would be serious.

• I did tell him I don’t want radiation or chemo. Surprisingly he said chemo is not used for this type of cancer. He does use radiation but didn’t push it.

• I asked about his experience with this type of cancer and he said he sees about a new patient every week, or about 50 a year, so I think he has the experience. I did ask for actual data on results but somehow we got sidetracked.

• One really positive thing as far as I’m concerned is that by using the government hospital the profit motive for the surgeon no longer applies. I have always been suspicious that private hospital docs might recommend a treatment because the hospital admin requires it. Those shareholders must be paid! There is no advantage to the gov surgeon since he gets paid by the government.

• I did ask the doc if I could wait another month because I would like to try some Chinese herbs, but the doc said that it was inadvisable to wait that long because the cancer appeared to be spreading quickly, and there’s a risk the cancer could spread. This was said as a matter of fact, rather than scare me into doing the surgery. No doc I’ve seen is against using herbs.

• So if you have time Chris, I would welcome any suggestions from you for any questions to ask. After that we can make a decision. I’m pretty sure I know what you will tell me Chris, but I like the guy and think at least I could go and talk to him again at S Hospital.

Reply 2 September 2022, 11:22 PM:

Thanks Steve for writing and I know you also want  me to reply as soon as possible. OK, I shall try  now.

• The first point when patients come to me, I would try to understand their mind or mentality and belief system. To me this is the most important aspect of healing — without a positive attitude it is difficult to achieve any healing. Unfortunately, not many patients have that positive attitude.

• One of the dangerous attitudes is trying to rush or push to get things done, believing that if you don’t do something NOW it is going to be hell — cancer spreads and spreads. My advice is RELAX. Take it easy and cool down. It is with this frame of mind that you can expect to make a rational decision. 

Regarding your problem:

• Good that you like the surgeon. That is one good point. 

•  Good that he said he has done such surgery — once a week for so many people. That means he is an expert and knows what he is doing.

• Good that he recognises that chemo has no role in this.

• So if you ask me, what is next? The answer is surgery. 

• BUT my only reservation is, are you sure the doctor can do or deliver that reality (not just his belief). Unfortunately no one can answer this all important question. No guarantee. 

• My main concern is the side effects of the surgery. This is ABSOLUTELY my main concern. You have to live with the consequences of that decision.

• When I write this, I remember a patient – his problem was the nose cancer not like yours). He was the dean of a faculty in a university. To him 2+2 is always 4 and it must be 4. As a biologist I told him 2+2 can be 10 or even zero. We have different belief systems.

• The head has a lot of wires (nerves). Destroy some vital ones and you end up with all kinds of problems. It will be operation after operation and you get mutilated. And there is no going back if this happens.

• So if you want to have a quick answer — operation is the option but bearing in mind my concern or risk above.

• This past week  many patients  came to me for help. I have heard their stories — failed chemo, failed

radiotherapy and failed surgery. So  at the end of the day I tell patients — FOLLOW WHAT YOUR HEART SAYS. If you think he is the right expert for you, GO AHERAD. There is no right or wrong answer.

• As I am writing this, I remember the 16-year old boy with tumours in his mouth. I agreed to him undergoing chemotherapy. Yes, one shot of chemo shrunk the tumour but the second shot killed him. But I cannot say he cannot go for chemo because my herbs could not do the magic that he wanted.

Write me again if you wish to express your concern or opinion.

3 September 2022, 7:37 AM Steve wrote:

Dear Dr. Chris,

• I am so appreciative of the time you take to reply to my ramblings. I would love to go to Penang to thank you in person. But maybe you don’t want this strange person cluttering up your clinic. Don’t blame you.

• I think 2 + 2 = the square root of -1. Prove me wrong.

• Since we all agree, including the doc, that surgery will not “cure” the cancer, but will only extend life, there are no false claims here. So the question then becomes, will the surgery improve my condition and quality of life, or will it make it worse, perhaps a lot worse … and by how much will it extend life? I suppose the answer to the last question is unknown and just an educated guess. This is a question I will try to hammer home to him if I manage to see him on Monday.

• I’m pretty sure that working at the main S Hospital he is one of the top surgeons in Thailand, and with 50 cases a year, plus the best equipment at S, it stands the best chance of success.

• Of course, that does not guarantee a good result. But should I turn the offer down? I did start to ask him for actual data for his patients so I can make an informed decision, but he didn’t quite understand what I said and somehow we moved on to other things.

No need to reply Chris. I will write again next week after seeing the doc again. By the way, I forget to say, please let me know if you want something from The Big Mango which you can’t get there.

Reply 3 September 2022, 1:48 PM:

• Yes, exactly. Cut and remove. No more – cure for a while. You can live longer but with side effects while alive. So there is the trade off here.

• In my 25 years, I think I only come across less than 5 cases like yours. And he had 50 cases a year like your cancer?  Then he is definitely much better.

• Yes, in theory everything looks great — I would say, Remove the tumour! Let’s see if the reality is different.

• If one tumour is removed, I think there is a good chance you need to sacrifice the nerves and you will have to learn to live with it. But if there are more than one tumour, what is he going to do? Remove it/them also? Can he do that? Then what about the lump in the throat? Is he removing that too? Or come back another day to remove it?

• It looks like you cannot run away from chemo or radiotherapy after the surgery. Ask him that. Unless of course it is a clean cut.

• Surgery is to done by an expert surgeon with experience who says it is NOT a cure but there’s a good possibility of living 4 to 6 years, compared to say 2 years doing nothing. Two docs have independently given the same time frame. I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU. YES, GO FOR SURGERY. 

3 September 2022, 6:11 PM Steve wrote:

• Yes  Chris, I understand completely. But the problem is that the herbs/oil did not stop the growth of the tumor which is now quite large. I feel that leaving it longer would be a high risk strategy.

• As we agreed, the use of herbs for this was a trial. I think they might have slowed the disease a little but did not stop it. But that’s just speculation on my part.

• So you are asking me to have faith in your unproven modified herbs. That is an awful lot to ask for Chris.

• And while you have provided many, many examples, and I have several of your books, I haven’t seen anything where you supply stats showing actual numbers of people comparing the outcomes of treatment compared to the herbs. I suppose this data does not exist because nearly everyone you see has tried conventional treatment which failed. 

• Another point I would like to raise is similar. Standard medicine does have success stories. Many failures of course but it’s not as if it’s total failure. There are quite a number of friends who have had standard therapy and have survived many, many years. Excuse me, but if someone reads your work they will come to the conclusion that (medical) treatment is 100% ineffective. In my case the herbs appear not to have worked.

• This is in no way a criticism of you Chris. I often have conversations in my head between opposite views to try to decide the best course to take.

So by all means shoot me down in flames about what I said, but I have the choice now of:

1. Surgery by an expert surgeon with experience who says it is NOT a cure but there’s a good possibility of living 4 to 6 years, compared to say 2 years doing nothing. Two docs have independently given the same time frame.

• Just use your modified herbs for 1 month on a trial basis, without any evidence that they work, keeping in mind there’s a distinct possibility the cancer will spread to nearby organs with disastrous consequences.

• I would think 99.9% would chose Option 1. I doubt if you would find anyone like me who would even consider your herbs in this situation.

But at least I’m considering what to do.

• You must be very tired of this troublesome patient. I value everything you say, so it’s ok. I’m only expressing my doubts and concerns about any treatment including the herbs.

Cheers Chris, and hope to talk to you again next week.

3 September 2022, 7:35 PM Steve wrote:

• Are you just pulling my leg Chris? Hope I have not angered you just because I’m pointing out the difficulties in anything I might do.

• If you want to argue your case, I am always ready to listen. Just to say, oh all right have it your way, is not a good argument if you have few answers to my questions. 

• Perhaps I misunderstand your intention.

• Are you saying you have just got tired of me wasting your time? Sorry about that but I cannot be expected to be a guinea pig to try out your herbs. 

Reply: 3 September 2022, 7:48 PM:

• NO, you are right. The only option any cancer patient has is surgery. I am sure of that! If you got breast cancer, colon cancer, etc. if you don’t want to cut — don’t come and see me. That has always been clear from the beginning. But for your case, I don’t know. In my 25 years I have seen less than 5 cases, so can’t say much. So here is where mindset comes in. If you believe surgery is the right choice, go for it.

• My herbs cure??? NO, never. This is the first reply I send out to all patients who write me. My herbs cannot cure your cancer!

Reply: 3 September 2022, 9:54 PM:

• You advise people to cut out the tumor first and then try the herbs. Is that correct? YES,  EXACTLY  if it is breast, colon, etc. BUT I would not say do surgery if it is lung, brain or liver cancer — and also your case because I have no experience with this cancer. 

So this is not like one rule that applies to all. My recommendation is based on what I know through my 25 yrs of experience.

• I just got an email from my old classmate — class 1970s — he has sarcoma in the thigh. He is taking rodent tuber. I told him, it is wrong. Don’t be fooled by those who want to make money. Herbs cannot shrink the tumour or make the cancer go away.  

• I  would most likely ask him to have it removed, because that is the only sensible thing to do. After that he can take herbs if he believes in what I do. But if he wants to do chemo or radiation, it is up to him. I am not here to influence him or force him to do what he does not want to do. I am here to help patients to get well. Period.

• So what I say above applies equally to you – exactly that. But again I repeat, in your case, I don’t know if surgery is a sensible option or not due to the sensitivity of the nerves in there.

I hope all is clear.

3 September 2022, 10:01 PM Steve wrote:

• Ok Chris  if I am wrong then I apologize.

• As far as I understand it now, you advise people to cut out the tumor first and then try the herbs. Is that correct?

• I was under the impression that surgery would only apply to isolated tumors such as breast cancer tumors which can be removed, not as in my case multi-node tumors. I’m wrong again I guess. I wanted to avoid surgery for exactly this reason because I don’t see how they can remove multiple tumors.

• Cheers, but please take a rest. I’m afraid my brain is a bit foggy all the time, so it’s quite possible I miss things.

3 September 2022, 11:16 PM Steve wrote:

Yes, yes, yes, all clear now.

• For my case, I don’t think anyone knows if the surgery will damage the nerve or not. The surgeon said something about repairing nerve damage. I didn’t go into details. It’s high risk I know, and I would much prefer an integrated approach combining the standard treatments with individual diet and other natural recommendations, but they haven’t progressed that far in Thailand.

6 September 2022, 9.38 AM Steve wrote:

• Op to remove tumor on cheek scheduled for 17 September 2022 at the Thai main public S Hospital.  One week stay.

• I think I have taken all views into account, but a decision has to be made, and I think that surgery is the best option available.

• Reaffirmed this is NOT a cure but hopefully will extend quality of life for maybe 2+ years. I doubt it personally, because the tumor seems to be aggressive and the tumor has started pressing on my ear airway restricting sound. Doc had a look and said it would improve after surgery.

• The doc assured me that surgery is the best treatment – but he assured me it’s his opinion. At least the profit motive at private hospitals has been avoided.

• I asked about pain management. He said no problem because they have the drugs (presumably the opioids) which are unavailable outside. (I know your thoughts on pain meds).

• I have stopped taking the herbs and THC cannabis oil in view of the op. Feel better mentally now.

• I think the herbs and/or THC cannabis oil MIGHT have slowed down the tumor growth, but maybe it’s just wishful thinking, because I have no real data to support the suggestion. The fact is the lump has grown from a hardly visible bump to a rather large growth on the cheek in 4 months. One doc told me this is usually slow-growing, but it seems aggressive to me.

Dear Chris, don’t waste your valuable time replying right now.

6 September 2022, 5:44 PM.

• I am glad that you have come to a decision on your own that makes you happy. Okay. Let us hope for the best. I am learning from your experience.

8 September 2022, 11:35 AM, Steve wrote:

Good morning Chris,

• When I looked in the mirror today I thought the lump on my cheek has grown significantly larger since 2 weeks ago. Naturally, I feel rather uneasy (to say the least) about that, or should I say panicky.

• But I asked my wife and she assured me it’s the same size with no redness. Still no pain. Feel about the same. Except for pressure due to the lump, and a bit of a sore throat, I feel OK, except lack a lot of energy.

• But I can walk, talk, eat, and tippy-tap on my mobile OK. Not complaining.

• As you know, the op is on 17 September, just 9 days away. In the meantime, do you think I should restart your herbs to try to slow down the growth? I will not be restarting the cannabis oil (at least for now) due to the negative psychotic effects it produced.

• I did tell the surgeon I had stopped both the herbs and the oil. All he said was “good.” Cheers, Steve

Reply: 8 September 2022.

• Not to complicate anything and make the doctor happy, stop taking the herbs first. It is okay. Take care. Don’t worry too much.

 Why I Would Not Go For Surgery

This is a story of Steve, a friend (and patient). Steve was from UK but was living in Bangkok for many years. It is indeed sad that Steve died after having an operation for his swollen cheek.

My wife and I first met Steve sometime in 2009 in Bangkok when we were there to “repair” our teeth! Steve came to meet us – seeking our advice with regard to his prostate cancer.

Steve was diagnosed with prostate cancer in June 2007 and had undergone Intermittent Triple Androgen Blockage Therapy for one year using Zoladex, Casodex and Avodart. Later he switched to Proscar. He took Vitamin D3, probiotics, Multi-vitamin, Saw Palmetto, Beta-sitostrol, Grape fruit pectin and Ashitaba liquid. He also followed Budwig Protocol. Later he took a certain medication from America. A detailed story of Steve and his prostate cancer is found in Chapter 8 of our book – Prostate Cancer Healed Naturally.

Steve wrote:

• I did continue over the years with a mainly vegetarian diet (no meat and only very occasionally chicken, no milk) and a small “maintenance dose” of a few drops of cannabis oil before bedtime.

14 June 2022: Some 13 years later, I got an email from Steve again. He wrote:

• About 6 weeks ago I woke up one morning to find a lump on my cheek causing a mild headache and sore throat. After a few weeks of increasingly strong antibiotics I had a needle biopsy of the lump. Today they told me the sample tested positive for malignant cells and suspected malignant parotid (salivary gland) carcinoma.

• An MRI “reveals multiple lobulated mass abutting superficial lobe of right parotid gland (causing pressure effect to the gland) and right group II-IV cervical region. It is measured up to 1.9 x 2.3 x 2.4 cm abutting parotid gland and 0.8 x 1.4 x 1.3 cm at right group II cervical regions.”

• They suggested surgery to remove the lump in my cheek.

• I have told them that at my age (76) I do not want invasive surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy.

• I’m not sure about the wisdom of removing the tumor. It might make matters worse and spread cancer cells around.

• I’m not sure if it would make much difference if the tumor was aggressive or not. Either way I don’t want to do any of the usual treatments.

• On the other hand, the doc said if the tumor was contained in the mass then removing it could possibly be a cure.

• But in the MRI report quoted above, I’m not sure if there are more than one tumor. If so, what is the point of removing one of the tumors?

• So I would like to ask your opinion on whether removing the lump is a good idea or not, and if you think that your herbs might be able to control the cancer.

• I do intend to carry on the veg diet, together with some supplements like Vitamin D3, C, and Zinc. Also, with a larger dose of THC cannabis oil.

Thanks for any comments you may like to make.

15 June 2022 at 4:01 Steve wrote again:

• Since there are multiple masses, I don’t see what removing the obvious one on the cheek will achieve.

• Sure, they can tell what stage the cancer is and whether it’s aggressive or not. My question is: So what, one way or the other?

• In addition, the surgery is liable to weaken me further. And then there’s the possibility the surgery may have undesirable results, if they cut the nerve for example. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion NOT to remove the main lump.

My reply, 16 June 2022:

• I totally agree with your take on not going for surgery and possibly chemo later. It does not make sense at all. I also believe such treatments could lead to more problems – not solving the problem.

• What other options do you have? I have little experience with the salivary gland cancer that you have. This is because it is a rare cancer here. So I cannot say my herbs could solve your problems.

• So before we jump into what I am doing here, let me share with you that there are also alternative cancer clinics in Bangkok. Perhaps you may want to check your backyard first! Do you want to try and talk to them and see what they can offer you?

• I have made internet search and found the following … I also know that some Malaysians have gone to Bangkok for treatment. I shall reserve my comments about them, but for the sake of exploring other alternatives why not talk to them?

• By alerting you to these clinics, at least my conscience is clear — we shall try our best and you make the decision.

Hello Chris,

• I am aware of the alternative cancer clinics in Bangkok. I also know that these clinics provide hope for some people, but I don’t know the effectiveness of their treatments, and they are not cheap. They would certainly provide a more compassionate environment. Some people think the more money thrown at a problem the better, but I don’t agree.

• I’m fairly well up on the various alternative cancer treatments. Therefore, there is no need to doubt having  a clear conscience about what you think is best for me, whether that includes herbs or not.

• I am the type of “difficult” person who always makes my own decisions, and blame it on myself when things go wrong ! You are making suggestions, not recommendations.

• So Dr. Chris, feel free to offer your honest opinions about the best course of action. Just say what you think Chris. What would you do?

17 June 2022 at 2.14 p.m. Steve wrote:

• Dr. Chris – I had an appointment today with the ENT specialist at the local government hospital. I asked what treatment (if any) the young lady doc would recommend. The conversation went something like this . . .

Me: Before you give me your opinion, may I please describe my journey with prostate cancer – [from diagnosis of “high risk” prostate cancer 15-years ago, declining ALL docs recommendations for surgery/radiation/chemo, to pursue alternative cancer therapies instead, the MRI 5-years ago could not find cancer, and how everyone else I know who followed the docs advice are now dead].

Doc: That’s remarkable.

Me: So you see, I don’t have much faith in surgery/radiation/chemo, but I want your opinion as to the best way forward.

Doc: I understand, it’s up to you. [typical Thai response, so I pressed further].

Me: The MRI scan shows multiple cancer masses, so what is the point of removing the lump on the cheek?

Doc: It may make you look better without the bump. But there is a danger of damaging the nerve which can cause problems.

Me: Never mind what I look like, that’s not a major concern. What I would like is your honest opinion on the recommended treatment. At my age (76) there is no point in treatment which extends life for a few months. But never mind what I think – what is your opinion?

Doc: I understand but it’s a personal choice for you to decide.

Me: Well, my choice is not to go the surgery/radiation/chemo route, but to try with a low carb vegetarian diet plus cannabis oil.

• We then discussed pain relief at end of life, which she certainly understood but was non-committal, probably for legal reasons.

• So Chris, what I would like to know from you is whether you think your herbs might possibly help. No guarantees I know. But I’m willing to give it a go to see if there is any improvement. But I will continue with THC cannabis oil (if I can get it) + veg diet + Amygdalin (low dose).

• Sorry to take up your time with this, but at least you know that I will keep you fully informed about developments, if I’m capable of doing so. Cheers, Steve

My reply 17 June 2022:

• Okay – we have gone through for a bit about what to do. I must say frankly and sincerely, DO WHAT YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO that makes you happy.

• Yes, your reasons for being skeptical about surgery and follow-up chemo is justified. I did not know how horrible surgery could be until I saw one more time these pictures in the article I sent you. 

https://cancercaremalaysia.com/category/salivary-parotid-gland-cancer/

So settled — these are the options you may wish to consider:

• ONE: You continue to do what you are doing now. Take whatever supplements you are taking and follow whatever diet you are now following. I would not comment on them because I have NO firsthand experience about them.

• Hope things will turn out to be the way it is — no discomforts or deterioration. Live a happy life and don’t think so much because the road ahead that you are going to take may be just as dangerous. 

• In Thailand now you can grow cannabis. May be you can spend time doing that. In Malaysia they “cut your head off”  if you do that.

• TWO: You can try our herbs for a month and see if you like them, at the same time you can still continue with what you are doing as in ONE

• Try first but if you think that the herbs are not helping you — there is no reason to continue taking them! 

WHAT TO EXPECT AFTER TAKING THE HERBS

• Know first that your cancer is a rare one so I cannot say much whether you can benefit from the herbs or not. However, from my experiences in dealing with thousands of other cases I can say the following may happen:

• The lump in the neck may grow bigger after taking the herbs. I am sorry this is not what we want, but what can we do? 

• In dealing with tumuor in the uterus I always warn my patients that after a month or two on herbs, the tumour will grow in size first. Scan shows it grows bigger!!! Then gradually with time the size starts to shrink. That is normal and expected. I learned this years ago when one young lady had a fibroid in her uterus!

• But in your case, if the size of the lump grows bigger it is scary!!!!! What is going on? So can you accept that possibility? If you persist it may grow bigger or smaller? I don’t know.

• The lump remains as it is — not big and not small. Well, at least you can learn to live with it as long as it does not cause any harm.

• With time — I don’t expect any time soon — the lump gets smaller. I have no experience with parotid tumour but the swelling in the neck due to lymphoma DID shrink in some patients. 

• Examples: One young law student. The lump around his neck disappeared after 8 months (sorry, not in one or 2 months … eight months!). Another patient, Siew Low had 3 small lumps in his neck after 1 year of failed chemo. The lumps disappeared after THREE years. An Indonesian lady had a hard lump on her cheek after 6 or 8 rounds of failed chemo. After 2 to 3 years on herbs the lump was gone.

So you see, for lymphoma I have lots of hope and confidence.

So pick your choice. That is my honest assessment of the situation. Take care, Chris