Success Story – Page 8

Breast Cancer: From Despair to Hope in Five Days

1: Healing In Five Days

2: Her Tragic Story

Acknowledgment: Permission to use these video clips without having to close the patient’s face is granted by the family.

The gist of our conversation:

1. Breast lump, ten years ago and she did nothing about it.

She discovered a lump in her breast more than ten years ago but did nothing about it. The lump grew bigger. In 2008, she went to Kuching, Malaysia for a full-body check up. At that time she did not experience any serious discomfort. However, the check up revealed a stage 4 breast cancer since it had probably spread to her bones.

Did she suffer any pains before the check up? Yes, she had pains around the shoulder blade. After a massage the pains disappeared.

2. Trips to China to find the cure.

The doctor in Kuching suggested chemotherapy. She refused. The family decided to bring her to China for medical treatment. She received treatments such as chemotherapy, cryoablation and radioactive seeding in the Chinese hospital.

She stayed about one to two weeks in China during each trip there. She returned home feeling “alright” only to go back to China again for more treatment each year.

Did they teach you to take care of her diet? No, she was told to eat anything she likes. They did not teach her anything about the diet.

3. A Minor Fall

In January 2011, she had a minor fall. This cause one of her legs to become swollen. But even before the fall, she always had pains in her legs. She consulted a doctor in Kuching about this problem and was told that nothing was wrong with her leg but she probably had cancer in her colon.

4. Leg Operation

Since February 2011, she was not unable to walk and remained immobilized at home. One of her leg was in pain and the other was swollen. She was unable to place her feet on the ground and stand up because of pains.

She went to Jakarta for further consultation. Subsequently she underwent a surgery intervention for both of her legs.

Two months after the surgery she was able to walk. There were no more pains in the foot when she stepped on the ground. But the pains in the lower parts of her legs persisted.

5. Did no return to China anymore

Did she go back to China again after this? No. We made a total of six trips to China. In 2008, she went to China thrice, in 2009, twice and in 2010 once. No use – at every visit they asked us to do PET scan, chemo, etc. She became tired, vomited, etc.

6. Hospitalization – September 2011

In late September 2011, she had pains in her abdomen and was unable to walk again. She had to be hospitalized. The oncologist suggested a PET scan to find out what was wrong with her. The family declined. By this time she was taking a variety of medications prescribed by the oncologist, bone specialist and neurologist.

3. CA Care Penang – 9 October 2011

She was wheel chair bound. She had to be carried up into the airplane. She was unable to stand up by herself.

She was unable to sleep and had pains in her legs throughout the day and night. After listening to her story that 9 October night, we could only say this to her family, I really don’t know what I can do to help you. But I shall try my best. It was indeed a hopeless and helpless case.

After five days on the e-Therapy and herbs, her conditions improved. The pains in her legs were almost gone. She was able to sleep and above all she was able to stand up by herself with minimal help.

Update: On 26 October 2011, her daughter-in-law called to say that patient (now at home in Jakarta) is able to walk by herself with the help of a walking stick. On the day when she returned home, she was able to slowly walk into the airplane – no need to be carried into the plane like the week before.

NHL-Kidney: Cancer-free after Six Months On the Herbs

Peter is a male, 56 years old. He was diagnosed with renal lymphoma involving both kidneys. The CT-scan on 12 November 1995 showed infiltration of the kidney by diffuse NHL (non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma), intermediate grade T-immuno type. Three years after chemotherapy, Peter had a relapse. He was then prescribed oral chemo, which made him miserable. Peter came to seek our help in August 1999. Six months later, he was cancer-free.

Peter shared his story with us in July 2000.

The kidney specialist told me I had to go for a kidney biopsy. First, they did an ultrasound on me. The doctor told me: Mr. Tham, I’m sorry to say that the report has come back, and you are in the third stage of cancer. You have a cancer in both kidneys. I was shocked. I just didn’t know what to say. So I told the doctor: I need a rest. After that I went to a university hospital for a second opinion and the doctors confirmed that it was cancer.

I was put on chemotherapy. It was terrible. I suffered very, very badly. After the first treatment, I didn’t want to go back anymore. I just couldn’t eat and my stools couldn’t come out. I began to worry too much. That was the first chemotherapy. They told me that I had to go for at least six cycles. The drugs used were: cyclophosphamide 500 mg, + epirubicin 100 mg, + vincristine 2 mg, and Prednisone 100 mg (oral).

My life was miserable. I just couldn’t face the facts of life. Cancer meant death. I was really, really down. I prayed to all the gods for peace in my life. But I just couldn’t find one who could give me the peace. Then my daughter said: Why don’t you go to church? My wife agreed. At that time, I couldn’t sleep at night. Every hour I woke her up to be sure that I was still alive. I went to church and the pastor prayed for me. That night I could sleep. I felt brave, knowing that God was with me. I put my faith and trusted in the Living God. Since God gave us life, He also had the right to take it away. Then and only then did I go for chemotherapy, the second, third, fourth, until the sixth time.

The doctors said that I was OK. I had no guidance about food. The doctors told me: You can eat anything you want but they also told me not to touch red meat. I went to two hospitals every three months for check-ups.

In June 1999, the doctor advised me to go for a CT scan (Gallium test). I also went for an ultrasound and two weeks later, a medical check-up. My kidneys were swollen.

The doctor told me that I had cancer again.

The doctors didn’t want to give me liquid chemotherapy, because they found out that my heart was weakened from the first chemotherapy. So they prescribed oral chemotherapy instead.

At first, these drugs were 100 gm cyclophosphamide and 100 gm procarbizide as the first dose. I couldn’t complete the first course of fourteen doses over fourteen days. I felt very weak, and couldn’t eat or sleep properly. I lost weight. My stools were sometimes very soft, sometimes very hard. But all these were not as severe as the first time I underwent chemotherapy, though.

On the 12th day of the course, I collapsed when I was in church. I didn’t realise that my stools had came out. I had loose stools. It was most embarrassing. I was carried out to another room and people prayed for me. I was awakened by those around me, and I was helped home. At home, I collapsed again, twice.

I went to see the Professor at the university hospital again. This time, I couldn’t even walk properly. I had a limp. I think the medicine affected my legs. My stomach was cramped. It was really, very painful. The doctor prescribed a reduced dose, half of the original dose I took earlier. During the second course, I still felt horrible. They seemed to be poisoning me. But, after a while I felt I was getting better, although I still couldn’t eat or sleep well and had no appetite. I continued to take the oral chemo-drugs for 14 days. I was miserable, but at least I didn’t collapse.

I was on the second course for about a week, when I saw the article on herbs in the newspaper. I called the Centre (CA Care in Subang Jaya). That was the turning point for me. When I came, I saw that I was not alone. Why not give it a try? I was doubtful but the article said that there was hope, and I had no choice. I explained my problems to Mr. Yeong and brought my medical records to him.

I was prescribed Capsule A and deTox tea. I continued with the chemotherapy. Within a week, I found that I could eat. I felt hungry. For about two weeks, I farted a lot. It was very, very smelly. My bowel movements progressively improved. The first week I had very bad diarrhoea. I panicked as the stools just gushed out. I wondered if something was wrong. I thought everything was loosening up inside me. I called the Centre and they told me to keep on taking the herbs. So I continued. Gradually, the sweating and the diarrhoea disappeared. I found that I could eat and sleep. That made me feel secure. I found hope. If I couldn’t eat or sleep, it made me miserable. I knew that this improvement was the effect of the herbs. I began to trust the herbs more.

Apart from the herbs and the oral chemotherapy, did you take anything else?

No,nothing else. Only oral chemotherapy and capsule A and the deTox tea. And I felt much better.

How long were you on chemotherapy?

I was on chemotherapy for six cycles.

So let’s recall – you went for the first cycle of fourteen days, then you collapsed. You had the second cycle at a reduced dose for another fourteen days, rested for fourteen days before going on to the third cycle (again for fourteen days), still at the reduced dose. You kept going until your completed six cycles (of fourteen days with the drug and fourteen days of rest).

Yes. When I took the herbs during the chemotherapy, I felt great, and I found that my creatinine readings kept decreasing. After the sixth cycle it was 145. From 280 to 290, it gradually went down to 145.

Did the doctor ask you anything?

The doctor told me that I was improving. I wasn’t sure whether to tell the doctor about the herbs or not. As you know, doctors don’t like you taking herbs. So I didn’t tell her. But I did talk about the herbs with other cancer patients while I was in the waiting room. I don’t know if that got across to the doctor.

After you finished your six cycles of chemotherapy, what happened next?

They gave me an appointment to come back and see them in three to four months’ time. Every three to four months, I was to have a check-up – they check the urine, blood, everything.

The doctor advised me to go for a CT scan … That was done in March 1999 at the university hospital. … When I saw the doctor, she told me: I have very good news for you’re completely healed. I was stunned!

Medical report from the Nuclear Medicine Unit – UHKL, dated 1 March 2000 indicated that: The repeat Gallium study now shows no Gallium uptake on both kidneys indicating complete healing of NHL of both kidneys. Inference: Complete healing of NHL of both kidneys.

After the report, what did the doctor say?

The doctor reminded me of the previous blood sample that they took in 1996, after I had finished the first course of chemotherapy. They refrigerated it, intending to put it back into me. (This is to do the bone marrow transplant – BMT). The doctor suggested that perhaps I should do the BMT. The doctor told me that it would cost RM20,000 to RM30,000 to do the procedure here, but it would cost over a hundred thousand inAustralia. I might suffer some side effects and might also die during the process of returning my cells to my body.

The first thing I said was: I can’t tell you now (if I would do the BMT or not). I have to discuss it with my family. I thought about it and called the Centre and asked for advice. The answer given to me was: Why must you go through all this? You’re doing well, why must you take the risk? You’ve got the herbs! My family agreed. I told the doctor that I had decided not to go for the BMT.

When was the offer to do the transplant made to you?

After the report was released, after the CT scan, when I was cancer-free.

After you were declared cancer-free, they wanted to perform a bone marrow transplant on you? Why would they want to do something like that?

To prevent a relapse – they said by doing that I could live ten or fifteen years longer. But I thought to myself: Why should I take the risk?

Since March you have been cancer-free. How have you felt these past four months?

I am feeling good. Yes. I go back to see my doctor every three months. I saw the doctor on 7 July 2000. Now, I can drive. Before, I dared not even drive.

Besides driving, what other things do you feel that you are able to do?

I am able to work. I find that I can walk without getting tired, go fishing, reading any books or newspapers without feeling tired in my eyes.

Note: As of this writing, June 2009 – Peter is still doing fine, living a happy, cancer-free life.

Kidney Cancer: A Success Story – Fifteen years on herbs and doing great!

Lee, male, was 53 years old when he was diagnosed with cancer of the kidney in March 1997. A CTscan showed a well defined solid mass in the right kidney. This could be an adenoma or a low grade carcinoma. Lee underwent an immediate surgery to remove his right kidney. The pathology report dated 14 March 1997 stated: Specimen of kidney: 225 gm, measuring about 11 cm x 5 cm x 4 cm. Yellowish tumour with fibrous areas seen in the middle of the kidney. The tumour measures about 4 cm in diameter. Interpretation: right kidney consistent with clear cell adenocarcinoma.

After the surgery, the surgeon did not consider mop-up treatment like radiotherapy or chemotherapy necessary. There was no medication to take either. Lee came to know us through our book: Cancer Yet They Live, which was given to him by a friend. Since then he has been on our therapy.

On 31 August 2006, we had a three-hour long conversation with Lee.

Lee: My operation was in March 1997. So by March 2007, it would be ten years after my cancer diagnosis. I am doing fine.

Q: So for the past nine years, you have been taking the herbs and taking care of your diet?

A: Yes, I had been taking your herbs very seriously since my operation and I took care of my diet as you recommended.

Q: Now that you have lived for more than nine years after your cancer diagnosis – did you ever feel that cancer has been a threat to you?

A: No. I didn’t think that cancer is the only threat to my life. Everyday we all face many threats to our life. So cancer is just one of these things. In this world you face threats when you step out of the house. Even in the house, there are dangers. The idea that just because someone has cancer, he is more vulnerable than others is not right. I may die of other causes.

Q: So, during the nine years, was there a time when you felt you could not make it?

A: No, there was no such feeling. This is because the body does not show any sign of problems at all. I always look at the positive side of things and I do not pay much attention to the negative. I accept cancer as part of my life.

Q: When you look back at your cancer experience, what do you think are the factors or things that had contributed to your well-being today?

A: Firstly, it was the people around me who directly and indirectly gave me their love and touch. By their actions they expressed their desire that I get well and this made me feel much wanted. Let me give you some examples.

There was this lady who came to the hospital with a bagful of money. She placed it on my bed and said: Brother, this is seven thousand ringgit for you. If this amount is not enough, mama said please let us know. This person is not related to me. She was just a friend – a former Hainanese neighbour, belonging to the same clan as I am. I never asked anybody for any help. She came and she did not even ask me if I needed any financial help. She just deposited the money on my bed. Her action showed me that people wanted me to get well. Therefore to me, I must get well because they wanted me to get well. This incidence created a strong feeling within me that I must get well for their sake. I felt so wanted. If I was left unwanted, there was no need for me to live anymore. I might as well die.

People showed their concern and love in different ways. There was a three-year-old boy. My wife used to take care of him when he was a baby. He came and held my hand while I was lying immobilised in bed. I called out to him: Ah Boy, Ah Boy. He responded: Uncle, no need to say anything and he cried. By doing this he showed me that I was wanted. There must be a purpose for me to live on. As I have said earlier, life has a purpose and by what these people had demonstrated, I should not die yet.

Another contribution was a lady friend who gave me your book. At that time I did not know anything about cancer or about you. She personally gave me your book for she wanted me to get well. She told me: This is something which can help you, read this book and then call Dr. Chris. I felt the love and concern she had for me. Again, I felt wanted. That book was the one with a simple white cover (note: our earliest version of Cancer Yet They Live).

I did not judge the book by its cover. I read it over and over again. What the book pointed out – or what you pointed out – was very true. The junk food and the negative emotions did not take care of my body. What you wrote made a lot of sense. All along in my life in the navy, I had been eating plenty of meat – meat for breakfast, meat for lunch and meat for dinner. I ate very little vegetables and even that was over cooked. I drank a lot of hard liquor. That book made a lot of sense and I could relate it with my lifestyle. It was there for me to see and compare. That book made me realise that I had been abusing my body all those years. After I found out the mistakes of my earlier lifestyle, I started to do the right thing. The information in your book woke me up and showed me where I went wrong. Knowing my mistakes, I started to make the necessary changes and corrections. The only way for me to carry on was to stop abusing my body. Without your book, I would not have known where I had gone wrong. When I wrote you, you asked for my medical reports and later prescribed Capsule A and Mt.Guava deTox tea.

Q: After reading the book, did you need to be “pushed” to do something or did you, on your own, willingly decided to practise what I said?

A: I decided willingly to put into practice what you wrote without any push from anybody. There were friends who told me that without chemotherapy, the cancer would spread, etc., etc. But I ignored such comments. My doctor did not give me any medication. I told him that I was taking your herbs. He did not object and said: Whatever you do, you must come back for a check-up. Initially I went back for a check- up every six months and later once a year. This routine lasted for six years – doing the X-ray and scanning. I stopped going for the check- up after the seventh year although I still continue with the blood test.

Q: After you read the book, did the knowledge you got from it help you very much?

A: The contribution arising from the knowledge obtained from the book has lasted even to this day. It has not stopped. That book was the one that started to move me forward and made me want to understand more about cancer. It has changed my destiny and the outcome of my cancer journey. When I read the book, I began to fathom what the authors wanted me to know and understand. Of course, if you just skim through the pages, you learn nothing. The book has changed my life. Even today I still read it – I have done it a thousand and one times!

Q: When you took the herbs, did you believe they were going to work?

A: Yes, my hair became black and I felt better just after one week. Even before I took the herbs, I had believed what you wrote.

Q: What would you say about your doctor?

A: I was very lucky to have a kind and understanding doctor who operated on me. He not only did his job well but also was wiser than just being a doctor who operated on patients. He went further to arrange for me to be operated earlier, on the day which was not his scheduled operation day. He was prompted to do so because I had already done a biopsy and the kidney had been poked. To him it was best that the kidney be removed as quickly as possible. This caring attitude made me feel really good. My doctor did not want me to go for chemotherapy. If he had asked me to undergo chemotherapy, I would have done that too. In his wisdom he did not see the need for chemotherapy.

All the above are things that have contributed to what I am today.

Q: Now that you are doing very well and are very confident, does it occur to you that one day the cancer may come back – have you given this any thought?

A: Yes, you use the word confident. I don’t want to use that word at all. Life is uncertain. If we understand that cancer has no permanent cure, you can accept that you may be able to live for two, three, ten or twenty years and then cancer comes back again. So, that is expected.

Q: What if the cancer comes back?

A: When it comes back, I will look at it again and find out why it comes back. Maybe at that time, my body is on the downward turn due to old age. Because of that, cancer takes advantage of the situation. So, we cannot blame anything or anybody. It is a natural process of life that the body shuts down. It is just like my old Opel car. I sent it to my mechanic and he told me: Uncle, the car is “lok” (beyond repair) already and cannot be repaired anymore. I had to accept it and write it off. Life is like that and is full of uncertainty. So in life, I cannot use the word confident. If I am too certain about things, I may end up disappointed. If you don’t hope for something, there will be no disappointment.

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As of this writing, September 2011, Lee has been doing well – 15 years now!

Lung-Brain Cancer: An Impossible Healing Part 4. What It Takes to Be a Winner

In my book, Prostate Cancer Healed Naturally, I wrote, “To me, cancer is not just about a tumour in your breast, lung or liver. It is about you, as a human being. There is this quotation, There is no incurable disease, only incurable people. Therefore, my lengthy interview with patients enable me to assess each patient as a whole and “predict” the probable outcome – whether we would be able to repeat the healings that we experience in CA Care. Unfortunately, only 30 percent of patients who came to us can benefit from our therapy.”

Let me say again, it not just about taking my herbs. Many patients come to us with a very high expectation of finding a “magic bullet”. We have none. Over and over again, my experience tells me that the most important criteria for success is the person himself. This statement also applies to those who care for the patient. When a person in the family is down with cancer, it also means that everyone in the family is somehow is equally affected by the illness. That is why, sometimes I insist that the whole family come and meet me. By meeting them, I would be able to “sense” what is “really going on.” Talk to those around the patient and from what they say and how they behave I could sense what the eventual outcome would be. I often tell patients, “After talking to you for five minutes, I would probably know if I can help you or not.” Perhaps, most patients don’t understand what I meant by this.

Having assessed the patient as a person, I shall then proceed to prescribe herbs. This is a very simple thing to do.

We receive many emails each day. These email writers expect to find healing from the comfort of their own world – hoping to find “cures” with a minimum of effort. CA Care cannot help such people. Ours is a hard and windy road to take.

Learn from the experiences of Suri’s case. During her first visit here, I was very blunt with her husband and daughter. Let me repeat what I told them that night, “I don’t want to mislead or cheat you – making you believe that you can find a cure here. Don’t think too much or too far! If she cannot drink the herbal teas I prescribed, there is no need to bring her here again. There is nothing I can do. But if she can drink the teas, she may benefit from them. And I shall do my best to help.”

Even today the words that I said to them that night still ring in their ears. Despite these “hard” words the message was well taken. For the next few days and weeks, Suri’s husband, daughter, sister and others, were “battling” with a rebellious patient who did not want to swallow the herbs! But they did not give up. I dare say that it is their perseverance that made this amazing healing possible.

Hear the story for yourself.

This was what happened:

Daughter: The first time she took the herbs, she spat out the herbal tea on my face. She yelled – “Get out, get out. Don’t let me drink this.” She knew that we were boiling something. She asked, “ What is that medicine – very smelly.”
Daughter: This is good medicine for you.
The first day (turning to his nephew) even his mother got the herbs on her face. (This lady is another sister who lives in Penang).
Then what we did was to divert her attention away from the herbs. We joked with her. When she was more relaxed, four or five people held her head, hands and legs and we poured the herbs into her mouth. She kicked and yelled, “Let me die, let me die. I don’t want to drink the medicine. Let me die.”
Daughter: Mother, you do not say such things. This medicine is good for you. Normally you did not have problem taking medicine. Why are you wanting to make things difficult now?
Chris: Wah, if you do not have a “firm heart” and do not believe in what we are doing, you all would have given up.
The first few days were real “terrible”. I was afraid that she would bite her tongue. So I put my fingers into her mouth and let her bite me. She resisted strongly and refused to drink the herbal tea.
That is what I mean – if you don’t believe and do not help yourself, nobody can help you. I remember telling you that when you first came.
The first time we came to see you, I said to you,” Doc., can you give us tablets instead of the tea”. You replied, “No we only have the herbal tea. If you cannot take the tea then there is no need to come and see me.”
Daughter: So we had no choice. She spit it out, we put it in again. She spit out all the herbs and my whole dress was wet.
If you did not have this “firm will” you would not have any hope.
Exactly.
This is the message I would like to impart to all patients who come and see me. Many would say, I don’t like the bitter and smelly taste of the herbs, etc. I tell them to go home. I can’t help such people.
Daughter: I told everyone. Let’s have patience, have patience.
After taking the herbs for three days, the headaches were better?
Headaches were less.
When you came you also said she vomited. How long did it take for your to see some positive results?
Sister: She vomited after taking the herbs. About a month later, we started to see improvements.
After joking and some persuasion, she started to take the herbs without resistance. Then we have to bribe her. We gave her some money, and she would drink the tea voluntarily.
Sister: I left my family and came to stay with her for more than two months.
Early every morning I bring her out for a walk in our housing park. She walks around the basket ball court. Depending on her strength she would walk four to twelve rounds each morning.

Things went on fine. Then at the end of August 2011, Suri had a fall – ending up with two lumps on her head. Then she developed severe headaches. Her sister called us. I requested that they come and see me immediately. Suri, her husband and her younger sister flew to Penang on 28 August 2011 to undergo the e-Therapy at our centre. Unfortunately, this was the most awkward time to fly – Ramadan. Flights from Jakarta to Penang on all airlines were fully booked. They had to fly business class on Malaysian Airlines. It cost US$1,025.80 (8.6 million rupiahs) per person – and there were three of them!

From my observation being with them for many days, her husband and her younger sister were very dedicated caregivers. I salute them for their commitment and dedication. When they were here in Penang, we worked through the Hari Raya and Independence Day holidays. Every morning Suri underwent the e-Therapy. The results were just beyond our expectation.

This is the most rewarding experience for all of us – the patient and her family and me and my wife.

Read the full story …

Part 1: Hope after a disaster

Part 2: A week of amazing healing

Part 3: Reflection and confession of a husband

Part 4: What it takes to be a winner

Update: 6 August 2012

Hello Prof. Chris,

This morning Suryana Tukiman call me and we had a talk. Now his wife has already started to take our herbs again. According him the Neurosurgeon was surprised to see the MRI result of the Brain … full with white marks but she is still alive and healthy after 1,5 years suffering cancer. The paralysis is due to the tumor pressing onto the motor nerve.

Now they use the NGT for food, juice and herbs into her stomach. But as you can see on the photo … she looks healthy, only a little bit skinny. These photos were taken this morning after Tukiman finished talking with me. I asked him to take these photos so I can send it to you. Teddy.

Lung-Brain Cancer: An Impossible Healing Part 3: Reflection and Confession of a Husband

When a lawyer makes a mistake, he loses his case in court; When an engineer makes a mistake, the building collapses; But when a doctor makes a mistake, it gets buried in his patient’s grave ~ A Cancer Patient

Acknowledgment: We thank the patient and her family for sharing this bitter-sweet story with us. Permission to use these video clips without having to cover their faces is granted by the patient’s husband.

While Suri was undergoing the e-Therapy at our centre in Penang, we took the opportunity to interview her husband. This is an opportunity to get to know in greater detail about what had really happened. Below are excerpts of our conversation over a period of three days – 30^th and 31^st August and 1 September 2011.

1. The Surrender and Started on Sutent

Actually her problem was detected in 2007. Examination showed a small dot in her lung. She refused to do anything about it. In 2008, while on a holiday trip to China with some friends, she became breathless and vomited. On her return from China she went to Singapore for consultation. Scan showed a large tumour in her lung – probably Stage 3A.
She underwent medical treatment for her lung cancer. Unfortunately her health deteriorated. Sometime in February 2011 she complained of poor vision. The eye specialist told her this could be due to cataract. But suddenly she developed severe headaches.
When was she not able to walk? You came to see us in May 2011. About three months before our first visit here. Suddenly her condition just “drop” severely accompanied with severe headache. So when she came here she was not able to walk, her vision was poor – unable to recognize people around her, her left hand and right leg had no strength. Before that she was okay.
We brought her to Singapore to do chemotherapy. After the chemo, her condition “dropped” further. We brought her back to Jakarta and did another cycle of chemo.
After that we brought her back to Singapore again to do more chemo. But “someone” up there seems to intervene. She did not have enough white blood cells. So the oncologist could not give her anymore chemo.
If her WBC was okay, would you have done the chemo? We would. I fully believe in the doctor. Daughter: But I never agree to chemotherapy since the very beginning.
Daughter: The oncologist surrendered … she gave up. She suggested taking Sutent saying that many of her patients were cured after taking this drug. The doctor told me, “Bring this medication (Sutent) home and try it.”
A table of Sutent cost S$210. She took a tablet a day. She had more pains after taking the Sutent. The side effects for her were: increased blood pressure, headaches and diabetes. I asked the doctor why she prescribed this drug to her. The oncologist replied, “Many of my patients took it and get well. Go home and try it. If it works it works. If not she just … (gesture with his bent finger).
Before she took Sutent, did you not ask if the drug can cure her? No one dares to answer such a question. The oncologist told me, “I cannot say. The only one who knows the answer is the one up there!”
After she took Sutent her consumption of Panadol gradually increased from one tablet per day to six tablets per day.

2. I regretted – Money Does Not Buy Cure

For all the treatments – radiotherapy, Iressa, Tarceva, chemotherapy and Sutent – the total cost came to more or less 2 milyar rupiah (1 milyar is 1,000,000,000 – nine zeros) which is about S$300,000. The cost of one tablet of Tarceva is S$195 and she took this for about 2 years. One tablet of Sutent cost S$210 and she took this for a month plus. One chemo cost about S$7,000. I was curious about one expenditure item of S$120.00. After an enquiry I was told that it was the cost of the chair (plus services provided) which my wife sat on while receiving chemotherapy. The doctor’s consultation cost S$150.00, if I am not mistaken. I was also told to only buy the drugs from the doctor. I was told that cheaper drugs bought outside the oncologist’s clinic could be a fake. I believed everything what the doctor told me.
It is okay to spend that kind of money if there was a cure. But there was no cure. I regretted for going to Singapore for the treatment.
Let me confess. I was full of remorse. I regretted because even before she went for chemo, my relative in Penang had suggested that we try the herbs. I refused to entertain that idea. In my mind, that is all hocus pocus. How can herbs be better than the doctors in Singapore? Herbs are just traditional stuff and if they are that good then all doctors will have to close shop. So I dismissed the idea of taking herbs as being absolutely nonsensical. I say again, I regretted this very much.
The doctors told her to eat anything – to make her stronger. And when she regained her strength, she got “hammered” with the chemo again. The cycle went on and one. Where do we go from there? On reflection, I begun to see how illogical it is.
While we were in the hospital in Singapore, I saw a patient from Medan. This patient had been going in and out for the past eight years – coming for chemo and chemo. There was no end to it. I was afraid to ask the details of what had really happened. Anyway the patient eventually died after eight years of struggle. It struck me – this is a prolongation of a meaningless survival.

3. CA Care, the Last Hope

In low voice, Suri’s husband said, “Actually my wife requested that I leave her to die. She did not want to suffer any more.” At that point, a distant relative in Penang called us and suggested that we try CA Care. I had a discussion with my children. We shall abandon further medical treatment and go for herbs. At that time we were hoping for pain relief. We would accept if she dies but not to be in pain.
When you first came to CA Care, did you ever believe in what we do? I made it very clear to you from the very beginning that I cannot cure you. What you told me that night was most sensible. Stop taking all the bad food that encourage cancer and then use the herbs to help the body against cancer. This makes a lot of sense to me.
We gave her the herbs for a week. She spat it all out onto our face. My relative talked and joked with her. When she was more relaxed we held her down, squeezed her nose and forced the herbs into her throat. After three days of doing that, there were less headaches. We had more confidence in your herbs.
She has been on the herbs for 4 months now, have you got anything to say about that? I would like to say thank you so much for helping us. I don’t know what to say. We have been doing this therapy everyday and you didn’t even charge us (broke down and cried). If you want me to worship you, I would do that.

To this Chris replied, Don’t worship me. Worship God and give thanks to Him. It is not me who do all these. I was just doing my best to help. My two children are doing well with their Ph.D.s. What we are doing here is not about money. In life money is not all important.

It is hard to do “good” for others. If you have not experienced what it is like to get cancer, you cannot understand what we are doing and why we are doing this work.

I understand. I have gone through this suffering for two and half years now. I know what you mean. That is why I am spreading words around about my wife. Many people saw my wife’s improvement.

My job is now done. I have nothing else to offer. Now it is your turn to take care and heal her. Never, never ever make any mistake again. Second, take care of her diet well.

Comments

It is not necessary for me to add any more comment. The story and the videos should convey enough messages.

We recognize that the work at CA Care is at odd with current medical thinking. Modern medicine wants to kill or shrink the tumour. And in the process kill the patients too. In The War on Cancer – an anatomy of failure; Dr. Guy Faguet , a cancer researcher and medical doctor, wrote, “An objective analysis of cancer chemotherapy outcomes over the last three decades reveals that … the cell-killing paradigm has failed to achieve its objective … a model based on flawed premises with unattainable goal, cytotoxic chemotherapy in its present form will neither eradicate cancer nor alleviate suffering” (pg.89).

Dr. Ralph Moss, Ph.D., a highly respected advocate of non-conventional cancer treatment, said, “ If you shrink the tumour by 50% or more for 28 days you got the FDA’s definition of an active drug …. (but) when you see if there is any life prolongation from taking this treatment what you find is all kinds of hocus pocus … this is the great lie about chemotherapy.”

At CA Care we teach patients to live with their cancers. Concentrate on what matters. We don’t know how to cure your cancer and we don’t pretend we can cure your cancer either. But like in this case, we know how to make your life better – if you can eat, sleep, walk, have no pains and can have a bit longer of meaningful life– what else do you want? Now, we say – Patients, you have a choice! Whatever you choose, is your prerogative. But it is you, and I emphasize – you and you alone, who are responsible for that choice.

Read the full story …

Part 1: Hope after a disaster

Part 2: A week of amazing healing

Part 3: Reflection and confession of a husband

Part 4: What it takes to be a winner

Lung-Brain Cancer: An Impossible Healing Part 2: A Week of Amazing Healing

Suri started the e-Therapy at our centre from Sunday 28 August 2011 – everyday (inclusive of the Raya Hari and Independence Day holidays.) The only thing I can say is, It is most rewarding to see how she benefited from what we do here. It is fun to joke with her and see her infectious smile! An inspiring experience indeed!

Happy Hour at CA Care

When she is not in pain, she is happy. She would tell stories and sing.
She is able to react to the environment and respond to our questions, etc.
Before the e-Therapy, she was feeling “cold” and could not take to the air-con in the room. After a few days, she was fine – no need thick clothings or a cap to cover her head.
Everyday her strength seemed to increase!
Each morning her husband shared with us Suri’s dream. One night she dreamt of eating a certain kind of fruit – she couldn’t remember the name. Suri made her sister name all the fruits. At last one name came up, “duku” and yes, that was the fruit that she ate! One night she dreamt of a person wanting to sell her a Mercedes Benz. She did not get to buy the car because her husband woke her up. Then the next night she dreamt of buying an expensive diamond ring.

The following is an interview with her husband on 5 September 2011 – after undergoing 8 cycles of the e-Therapy.

You came to see us on Sunday 28 August 2011. You had to pay over a thousand US dollars for each ticket. And there are three of you. That’s a lot of money. Why did you want to spend that kind of money when at ordinary time it cost only about US$150 to fly return?

Husband: This is because my wife is very important to me. She was in a lot of pain and I didn’t know what to do to help her. So I have to fly in immediately to see you.

As I told you that night, I cannot guarantee good results but I would do my best to help her. But deep inside me, I felt that I could “win”.

H: Yes, we agreed that we would try.

On Sunday night (28 August 2011) we started the e-Therapy. This is Monday 5 September 2010. That means she had undergone 8 cycles of the therapy. Do you see any difference in her?

H: Wah, tremendous improvements. This morning is the best results I have seen. This morning she can shake her feet. This was what she used to do when she was healthy but since she had cancer she could not do that anymore.

So you really “see” improvements?

H: A lot of improvements. I have not seen such great improvements. You see, just now she could stand up by herself – something that she could not do before.

So are you satisfied with the results?

H: Extremely satisfied – very, very satisfied.

When you first came last Sunday, she had a few problems. What were these problems?

H: First, she had severe pains in her head. She is a person who can tolerate pain. And yet I could “see” that she was suffering due to this pain. It is so extraordinarily painful.

Is the pain less now?

H: No more pain – totally gone.

With regards to her movements – when you first came here, could she walk?

H: Wah, when we came last Saturday, we had to use the wheel chair. When we got to the door of the airplane, she switched to a narrowed wheel chair to go through the aisle.

What happen now?

H: Now, she can walk!

So, are you certain that she has improved?

Yes, now she can take the herbs five times a day without any problem or protest.

What about her mental response? Can she respond to what you say to her?

H: Yes, if she sits quietly, she begins to remember many things.

Before this, can she respond to your questions?

H: Depends. Yesterday she was very, very angry with her sister. She was not allowed to eat “wan tan mee.” So she refused to talk to her and would not answer her. But during ordinary time, she can tell stories, sing and reply to our questions.

Is she aware and sensitive to her surrounding now?

H: Yes. (Note: the first few days at our centre she could not stand the cool air-conditioning of the room. She had to wear a sweater and a cap to cover her head. After a few days she did need these anymore).

Are you happy and satisfied having to go through all the trouble to come here?

H: Extremely satisfied. Let me honestly tell you this. When the Singapore oncologist “surrendered” and would not give her more chemo, I told all my children – “We shall go for herbs and hope that she would not suffer any pain. If she has to die, let her go in peace without any pain”. Pain is terrible. But after two months on your herbs, she started to recover – extraordinary healing indeed. It is a miracle (mujizat). It is Godsend. I did not expect this at all. I have suffered for two and a half years when she was undergoing her medical treatments. Come 9 September 2011 (4 days more!) she would have been on your herbs for four months.

Very good (sigh) I am real happy to be able to see her getting better every day.

H: I am extremely happy.

Read the full story …

Part 1: Hope after a disaster

Part 2: A week of amazing healing

Part 3: Reflection and confession of a husband

Part 4: What it takes to be a winner

Update: 6 August 2012

Hello Prof. Chris,

Lung-Brain Cancer: An Impossible Healing 1. Hope After a Disaster – when Iressa, Tarceva, Forty Cycles of Chemo and Sutent Did Not Cure Her

Suri (M971) is a 61 year old female from Indonesia. Her family came to seek our help on 8 May 2011. She was wheeled into out centre being unable to walk on her own. She was unable to talk, showed no facial expression and did not seem to know what was going. According to her husband, she behaved like a child. Listen to her husband telling us his wife’s story of tragedy.

Suri was diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer in 2008.

She had 22 times of radiation treatments in Singapore. No chemo was done. She was given the oral drug, Iressa. She took it for about a year. Her tongue became numb and so she gave it up. The doctor then gave her Tarceva. She was on this drug for about two years.

About a year later, in 2009, the cancer spread to her brain. She underwent chemotherapy. This was also done in Singapore. Her chemotherapy consisted of the following:

1 cycle of chemo divided into 3 injections, done once a week for 6 months. That means a total of 18 injections.
1 cycle of chemo every 2 weeks for 6 months. That means a total of 12 injections.
1 cycle of chemo every month for 6 months. That means 6 injections.
1 cycle of chemo every 2 months for a total of 3 injections.
1 cycle of chemo every 3 months. She received only 1 injection.

In total she received 40 chemo injections.

Three months after all these treatments, MRI showed one additional tumour appeared in her brain.

MRI done on 2 May 2011 indicated: “Two small enhancing nodules less than 10 mm noted in the right temporal lobe compatible with brain metastasis.”

Came to CA Care on 5 May 2011

Her husband said, “We knew that chemo did not work for her. We decided to seek the help of CA Care. Please try and help us. Now the oncologist prescribed this drug, Sutent. She has been taking in for about a month now. “(Note: after seeing us, the family decided to stop taking Sutent).

She presented with the following serious problems:

Severe headaches
Vomiting
When her two hands are put together, they “fight” trying to tear each other apart.

My comments to the family then were:

Based on her medical history, I really don’t know what I can do to help her. We can only try.
I don’t want to mislead or cheat you – making your believe that you can find a cure here.
If she cannot drink the herbal teas I prescribed, there is no need to bring her here again. There is nothing I can do. But if she can drink the teas, she may benefit from them.
As for the prognosis – Don’t think too much or too far! You have spent thousands of dollars and yet they can’t cure you. Don’t expect me to cure you. And I am no magician. But I shall do my best to help. That much I can do.

After Two Months of CA Care’s Herbs

On 17 July 2011, the family brought Suri to come and see us again. Watch the following video and see for yourself the healing that had taken place after two months on our herbs!

Suri’s health had improved tremendously after taking herbs for two month.

Before the herbs, her vision was blurred and she was not able to recognize people around her. But this has since improved. She is now able to recognize people around her again.
Previously she was not able to watch the TV at all. Now, she is able to understand what is going on and can laugh when watching certain programs.
Previously she was not able to comprehend our conversation and was oblivious to her surroundings. Now, she is able to understand and talk to us. She knows what is going on around her. Her sister said, “She can now scold people around her”!
Now she can remember past events and can tell stories based on our old photos. Her husband said, “When she saw our old photos she would talk and talk about it.” But she is not able to remember current events.
In the morning, we bring her for a walk. She can walk 8 rounds of the basket ball court every morning without help. Of course she still lacks strength to walk by herself. Before she couldn’t walk at all.
When sleeping, she can now turn to the left or right. Previously she had to sleep flat and straight unable to turn sideways.

Read the full story …

Part 1: Hope after a disaster

Part 2: A week of amazing healing

Part 3: Reflection and confession of a husband

Part 4: What it takes to be a winner

When Modern and Alternative Medicines Co-exist Miracles Can Happen – Chemo Followed by Herbs + e-Therapy + Spirituality = Exceptional Healing

Miracles have no place in modern medicine. But Dr. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D. wrote in his book, Miracles Do Happen, “Although the conventional approach promises miraculous cures, it often provides only temporary treatment of symptoms and side effects. Fortunately, many alternatives still hold the potential for producing personal miracles. I first became aware of miracles a quarter century ago. Prior to that time, even though miracles occurred regularly, I never noticed them.”

Dr. Norman Shealy went on to say, “allopathic medicine has ignored the most important aspect of healing – the untapped miracle of the individual’s personal will, intuition and heart. When will, intuition and heart are united, even for a few moments, miracles occur.”

For those who care to see, shall see miracles. But for those who wish to turn a blind eye to what is happening around them, would see nothing. I am presenting you this case study. I believe this is a miracle at work on a personal level. I have written two articles about this case earlier but only from the perspective of reporting a case obsessed with results and CT scans, etc. I missed “seeing” the miracle then.

This patient, Anne, came back to CA Care again from 19 – 29 August 2011. This time I had the opportunity to learn more about her case. This led to my realization that I have missed out something very important. We cannot learn from patients if we spend only 5 to 10 minutes talking to them. Since the details of Anne’s medical history had been presented earlier, I shall not delve into that anymore. To read our earlier articles on Anne, click on these links:

Lymphoma: Herbs and e-Therapy Brought Her Back to Good Life Again After Eight Chemos http://ejtcm.com/2011/07/17/lymphoma-herbs-and-e-therapy-brought-her-back-to-good-life-again-after-eight-chemos/
Cancer: What It Takes To Be A Winner https://cancercaremalaysia.com/2011/07/17/cancer-what-it-takes-to-be-a-winner/

THE HEALING PROCESS

CA Care as a source of information

Before I came to CA Care in April 2011, I read through your website and saw the videos. The information helped me a lot. I was hopeful that I too would be as like those featured in your video clips – lymphoma cases like Devi and Siew.
Did you really believe in those videos? Or, were these so-called patients merely “paid actors” trying to mislead others? I have no doubtful feeling in my heart.
Besides, I also read your book. So I came rather prepared with a trusting heart hoping for the best to happen.

Comment: This is our advice to cancer patients: If you don’t believe in what we do, please go elsewhere for help. We put out those videos and case studies, blogs, etc., as a source of information for those who need them. Over the years we have been collecting data, learning and documenting from the experiences of our patients. This is part of our research, not a tool for propaganda to make business. In science, documentation is important for future evaluation. Meaningful successes in our work are the only motivating factor that sustain and kept us moving forward. It is most satisfying to know that Anne benefited from our therapies.

Chemotherapy was necessary – no choice

I was in pain and for 3 days was unable to sleep or lie down. My abdomen and both my legs were swollen. I lost my appetite. I was hospitalized for a month. Husband: During that time 8 bottles of fluid had to be tapped out each day – a bottle was 500 ml.
In the second week in the hospital, my condition deteriorated and the surgeon suggested chemotherapy – there was no other choice. I underwent chemotherapy and my condition improved. The swelling subsided. After a month, I was discharged from the hospital. During that time I still had a bit of swelling in my legs and pains in my abdomen.

Comment: In this situation chemotherapy is life-saving. Go for it. When there was no other choice, the choice of chemotherapy proved to be beneficial.

My health during chemotherapy

I received a total of 8 cycles of chemotherapy. My appetite improved but I was not able to sleep well. I had no strength. I was not able to stand up by myself and I needed help to get up. I was not able to bathe by myself because my abdomen was painful and I was not able to bend over. For about a month, my husband had to bathe me.
I had fevers very often and later the biopsy wound in my abdomen burst open and pus was released. After this episode, there were no more fevers. After this, my eye developed an infection and swelled. There was also a time when my whole body became itchy. With medication, the itch disappeared after a month.
My movements were restricted due to lack of strength and feeling of instability or imbalance when walking. I was house-bound. The only time I went out was to see my doctor. I have to use the wheel chair. During that time I not able to attend church at all. My friends would visit me at home.

My health after completion of chemotherapy

There was no more swelling of my stomach but my doctor said only 50 percent of the tumour in my abdomen was gone. I was asked to eat eggs and meat to increase my protein level.
From August 2010 until April 201i, I took all kinds of supplements that friends introduced to me. I took ………….
I gained more strength and could walk. I cooked my own food in the morning. I cook only once in the morning and ate the same food for the whole day. I only cook and was not able to do any other house chores.
Two or 3 months after chemotherapy, I was able to bathe myself without help.
I did not have any pain but there were sores or ulcers in my mouth. My stomach was very congested and uncomfortable.
During this time, I was able to go to church and once a while did some shopping. Because I still did not have much strength my shopping trip was very brief. I felt imbalance and dizzy when I walked.
I still needed a wheelchair 2 or 3 months after chemotherapy.
During the 8 months period after chemotherapy, my health was not fully restored, though I felt better than while I was having chemotherapy.

Recurrence – No More Chemotherapy for Me

In January 2011, the cancer came back. There were swellings in my left cheek and neck. A biopsy of the lump in the neck showed recurrence. My doctor suggested more chemo. I refused. I told my doctor I could not stand the side effects of chemotherapy anymore.
Besides the side effects, the new chemo is going to be more expensive. Just the drug alone would cost 10 million rupiah and I need to do 8 cycles of chemos. This cost does not include charges by the doctor, hospital, scanning, etc.
On top of it all, the outcome is not guaranteed. The doctor was not able to predict the outcome.
After all, I have just completed 8 cycles of chemo in August 2011, and within 4 months the cancer came back.
Were you upset or disappointed by this turn of event? Did you get angry with God? I asked God why? Why this thing happened? No, I was not angry with God but I did ask Him why.
After I declined chemotherapy, the doctor suggested that I undergo radiotherapy. I declined that too.
Did the doctor get angry when you declined his recommendation for chemo or radiotherapy? No, he did not. I told my doctor, I am ready to “go home.” I am not prepared to go through the side effects of the chemo again. There is no need for me to suffer again. And it is not necessary to spent more money. Let me just “go home”.
If I could remember correctly, this was how my doctor responded, “Go back and think this over.”

Comment: Indeed the oncologist response was very honest and fair. Patients must be allowed to make their own decisions without any duress or fear.

I decided to go for CA Care herbs

Before I underwent chemotherapy, a friend gave me your book but I was afraid to read it and kept it aside somewhere. In April 2011, after the recurrence, somehow I came across your book again. After reading the book, I decided to try your herbs. I did not want to go for more chemo. I made that decision on my own. I was prepared to take whatever risks that comes with it.
I discussed this with my family – 11 siblings in all, and also my children. They supported my decision. My friends said they would uphold me through their prayers.

My health improved after taking the herbs

When you came to CA Care in April 2011, were you in good health? My health was not good. My legs were weak and when I walk I had no strength and felt very unstable. My stomach was bad. My heart palpitation started to show up.
When you first came here, what was your expectation? At first I thought CA Care was a hospital! But when I came here, it turned out to be something else! When I was in Jakarta , I had a phobia for hospital. When I went to see my doctor I felt afraid and depressed seeing all those patients. But at CA Care I did not feel that way at all.
Did you come to find a “magic bullet” here? Something that can instantly cure your cancer? No. When I read your book and the articles in the website, I understand that healing is a process that takes time. I don’t expect to find an instant cure. Although at first, I found the herbs did not taste good, I persisted and take them. The diet you advocated is most difficult to follow at first. But gradually I adapt to this change that you asked me to do. Now, I am fully compliant with your advice.
If I were to ask you to go back to your old diet, would you do it? No. Because after I completely changed to this healthy diet my body felt much better.
The path that I asked you to take is difficult – did you harbor any resentment in your heart for having to go through this? No. As I continued to take the herbs, I felt better. Before the herbs, I was not able to pass out wind and my stomach was uncomfortable. With the herbs, I passed out a lot of wind and my stomach felt better. I felt movements in my intestines. Before that I felt everything was “cramped” up. As my health improved I was able to sleep better. I had more strength to walk and when I walked I felt more stable. Every morning, I used to go out to enjoy the morning sun. Before the herbs, I could not feel the sunlight on my skin. And I did not sweat. But after the herbs, I could feel the sunlight and I also sweat. I knew that my health had gradually improved. All these happened within the first two months after I started taking your herbs.

e-Therapy in Penang

You came back to CA Care after 2 months on the herbs. We started the e-Therapy – did you benefit from this? Yes. The swelling in my cheek became smaller and I felt better.
After a week on the e-Therapy you went back to Jakarta. Did your health deteriorate? No, everything was good until one day when I ate “tempeh”. It was hard and I chewed it. It caused laceration on the inside of my mouth. The lump in the cheek became bigger and I felt “warm.” I did not feel good again.
On 19 August 2011 you came back again and stayed on until 29 August 20ll. You did the second round of e-Therapy. Did that help you? Yes. I felt better again. On the first day on the therapy, I had backache. On the second day my leg was numb for the whole night. My throat was sore and I was not able to sleep. Though it seemed to be another “down” for me, I was not afraid. The next morning, the problems resolved by themselves. A few days ago, my stomach was not feeling good – I felt full and bloated. As I have explained earlier this problem came on after the chemotherapy. Today, after a week on the e-Therapy, I feel much, much better. Perhaps this was also because I drank the A-Live 2 and A-Live-8 teas. These herbs and the e-Therapy really helped me.

WHAT DOCTORS SAY

1. The Oncologist

I refused to go for the second round of chemotherapy. I told my oncologist that I am taking herbs. He was not angry that I was taking the herbs. My oncologist requested that I show him the herbs I was taking. On the next visit to him I brought all the herbs – Capsule A, teas for Lymphoma, etc. I explained to him what I was doing and why. He looked at all these herbs and took a long time studying the label of Capsule A. Then he said, “If all these made you well, go ahead and take them.” My oncologist was not angry or object to my taking the herbs.

What would you do if your oncologist objected to you taking the herbs? I would still continue taking them. I am much better now, taking the herbs. I will not stop. Then if he is against me taking the herbs, the next time I would not tell him what I am doing.

Comment: This is not about who is right or who is wrong. Nor is it about who is smarter. The important thing is that patients get better!

2. The Heart Specialist

My heart palpitation came about in March 2011, a month before we came to see you for the first time. Initially, I went to consult a heart specialist. He said there was a minor disturbance. I did not undergo further test because by the next day my problem seemed to have resolved.
In July 2011, the palpitation came back again. Then I came to Penang to see you. After I underwent the e-Therapy, the situation improved but when I went home to Jakarta, the palpitation recurred. It was then that we called you and you suggested that I consult a heart specialist.
This time I consulted another heart specialist. He said my heart was normal. He could not find anything wrong. So, he did not prescribe any medication. I told him that I am currently on herbs and showed him what I have been taking. I asked the heart specialist if this palpitation was due to the herbs I am taking. He repled, “No. Herbs are good. Go ahead and take them.” I told him I am now a vegetarian. I do not take fine table salt, sugar, oil, etc. He said, “That is good. Continue doing it.” He assured me that my heart palpitation has nothing to do with me taking the herbs.

3. The Internist

Before my consultation with the heart specialist, I also went to see an internist for my stomach problem. This problem came on after I had the chemotherapy.
I told the internist that I am currently taking herbs. I asked him if this stomach problem is due to the side effects of the herbs. He replied, “No, herbs are good. There are no side effects.”
Husband: “On the contrary, the internist told us not to do chemotherapy anymore. We should take herbs instead.”

SPIRITUALITY

God spoke to me

You told the oncologist that you would rather “go home” than undergo the second round of chemo. After 2 months of the herbs, did you still want to “go home”? My feelings were up and down. After I had the laceration in my mouth, I was not feeling good at all. That was my down period. I prayed to God to cure me. Let the cancer go and not come back any more. I kept repeating this request to God. One evening I went to church. Out of the blue, a friend who sat next to me started to say this, “You must be patient. Healing is a process and it comes one step at a time and it takes time. There are times when you feel down and there are times when you feel good. But trust in God and go on doing what you are doing. You will get well.” I did not know why this person said that to me. I did not share my concern with her at all. That night, I felt God gave me the answer. I said to God, “Okay God, forgive me. I was too impatient and did not realize this.” The same message came to me again the next morning. Now, I know that this is not yet the time for me to “go home.”

Comment: As a Christian I don’t believe that God is going to drop the “cure, joy and comforts” down from the Heaven as in the days of Moses. But God does hear our prayers and whisper His responses in ways that we may not understand or at a time when we least expected. It is up to us to “listen”! Unfortunately, many of us are deaf. I find the words of this song most inspiring indeed:

God will make a way, Where there seems to be no way; He works in ways we cannot see, He will make a way for me. He will be my Guide, Hold me closely to His side, With love and strength, For each new day, He will make a way.

Emotional Blockage

I went to see the heart specialist because my heart was beating rather rapidly. It came about in March 2011, a few months after chemotherapy. The heart specialist could not find anything wrong with my heart. That night I went to church. We all sang songs and hymns. The next morning, my heart palpitation was gone and up to this day the problem did not bother me anymore.
In your heart, do you keep any emotion that you cannot let go and this makes you very unhappy? Yes. But I cannot share this with anyone here. Even my husband did not know about this. I also do not talk about it with my close friends. (She broke down and cried!)

Comment: Good, you have to let go and cry it out! Never keep emotional problem in your heart. It blocks the healing process in you. Let it go before it kills you.

REAL HEALING OR PLACEBO

From March 2010 to 21 July, Anne had undergone 7 cycles of chemo. Her blood profiles after the 6 cycles of chemo were not alarming. However, after the 7^th chemo, the blood profile begun to show deterioration, as below. The haemoglobin, white blood count, platelets decreased. She was given two injections of Leukokin to boost the blood parameters in preparation for the next chemo (Table below). Anne received the 8^th chemo on 6 August 2010. After this last chemo, her WBC remained low for many months. Her platelets were also low until May 2011. After Anne started to take our herbs from 29 April 2011 onwards, her blood profiles started to show improvements. By August 2011, her WBC was normal – before that it was still low. Her platelets had also normalized. In September 2010, Anne’s LDH was at 447 (high). In August 2011 it was 272. LDH (lactate dehydrogenase) is frequently used as monitoring test for those who already have lymphoma. Any elevation from the normal range may indicate a relapse or renewed growth.

Below are the results of our AcuGraph study.

Reading taken on 29 April 2011 when Anne first came to CA Care, showed many imbalances of the meridian energy.

Anne returned to Jakarta and started to take the herbs. Her health improved. She came back to Penang again on 1 July 2011. The AcuGraph reading on that day showed many imbalances of her meridian energy. Anne underwent the e-Therapy. Her AcuGraph reading on 8 July 2011 showed a far better picture. Anne returned to Jakarta to continue taking the herbs.

Anne returned to Penang again on 19 August 2011. Her AcuGraph reading is a below. Anne underwent a second round of the e-Therapy and her reading on 26 August 2011 showed a better picture. Anne returned to Jakarta and will continue to take the herbs and undergo the e-Therapy in her home.

Comment: Studying the 5 charts, one cannot help but notice that the pattern of disharmonies was almost the same from April to August 2011. The pattern of disharmony of the hand meridians is like a hill – with a central peak and two sides sloping down. The foot meridians also showed similar pattern. I have yet to understand the significance of this. After Anne had done her reading we tried to prescribe herbs to correct some of these imbalances. She benefited from these herbs. But unfortunately, we were unable to follow up with her progress after she went home to Jakarta. When she came back again after sometime, we were faced with a similar problem again.

As a conclusion, let me present you’re the transcript of my interview with Anne and her husband.

Chris: Can you tell me – are you sure that our therapy helped you?

Anne: Yes, your therapy helped me a lot Dr. Chris. It helped me. From the very beginning, every morning when I wake I am very concerned about my instability when walking. I fear I might fall.

C: The reason I ask you this question is because, in medicine there is such a thing called “placebo effect.” If you believe me very much and you do what I want you to do, you may experience the beneficial effects due to your strong belief. The medicine I gave you may be just a “fake” but you still get the good effect. Because of that I would like to determine if indeed what you are telling me is really true – not a fake or placebo.

Husband: The therapy is good doctor. Put it this way, if the therapy is not good, she will not come back to see you ever again!

A: Like this doctor. I took the herbs for about a month. I know my body. I know the herbs made me better. For me the result is good. Of course, I have to believe Dr. Chris too. It is illogical (not balanced) if I don’t believe in Dr. Chris. That will not bring me any good. I took the herbs, I benefited from it – I believe the herbs because I benefited from it. And I must also believe in Dr. Chris. Otherwise it is meaningless.

C: What about those around you – your friends – when they looked at you, what did they say?

Husband: They said she looked better. Good. It is not only me to can say that. Those friends commented that she look much better now than before.

A: In fact, I feel I am far better off now than I was before. I am much healthier now.

C: I really don’t know what else to say. I learn from my patients. They know better about their bodies than others. There is no reason why other people can know better than the patients themselves. If they say they feel good and they looked good – that is enough, what else can I say?

C: Do you have full confidence in what you are doing?

A: Yes, I have confidence.

C: You don’t want to ask to “go home” anymore?

A: No, no. I am afraid that God will get angry with me.

C: Let me ask again – compare your condition now and before – is there any difference?

A: Oh, a vast difference. Before taking your herbs (shaking her head) – oh, don’t let me say again, it was difficult. My legs were weak. When I walked I felt not balanced. These are the major concern I faced. All these happened after I underwent chemotherapy. Now, my legs have improved. The instability comes once a while only.

C: The most important point of all is – is your health better today compared than before?

A: Of course, I am better off now. I can go anywhere now. I can cook at home. I can climb the stairs in the house.

C: Before the herbs, you couldn’t climb the stairs?

A: No, not at all for a long, long time. If I walk, I was like an old lady. My pace was very slow and I virtually place one foot a time. I could not bend my knees like others normally do when walking.

C: Now you can walk up the staircase?

A; Yes, I can walk up like a normal person. Once I was in the garden in one early morning – this happened about 2 months after the chemotherapy. I was bending tending some plants. I fell down and was unable to stand up. Even if I held onto the fence, I could not raise myself up. So I just sat there on the ground. There was no one in the house to help me. I waited until my husband came back to help me up. Even that he had difficulty pulling me up.

C; Now, can you stand up by yourself?

A: Yes.

C: Looking back at your days before the herbs …

A: Before the herbs, I felt I was useless – absolutely useless, because I couldn’t do anything. I felt sorry for my husband. Now I am okay.

Liver Cancer Part 2: After chemoembolization and Radiofrequency Failed, He Turned to Herbs and e-Therapy

TD (S21), 67-year-old Indonesian male had a 7.8 x 6.5 x 8.4 cm mass in his liver. He underwent He underwent six cycles of chemoembolization (TACE) and one radiofrequency ablation procedure. In addition, he received six monthly injection of Zometa. About six months after the completion of the treatments, new growths were found in his liver, around the right and left adrenal glands and T12 of his backbone.

TS decided to give up further medical treatments and came to seek our help on 14 August 2011. He was prescribed Capsule A and B, Liver 1 and Liver 2 tea, Bone Tea and Pain Tea. For his pain, TG underwent the e-Therapy. Since he has four stents in the arteries of his heart, he was started on Ray therapy, followed by Detox 2 program the next day. Since there was no side effect, TD continued with the e-therapy from 17 to 21 August to 2011. He was happy with what he was doing.

Listen to his conversation.

Gist of our conversation.

TD had lower back pain and was not sleeping well. Otherwise he had no other symptoms.

Since TD has four stents in his heart arteries, we had to be careful. We initially used the Ray e-Therapy using the Ray #29 – Lumbago program. As a result of this treatment, he had 20 percent less pain.
On the second day, TD received e-Therapy using the hand paddle. The program used was Detox #2. As a result of this treatment, there was 50 percent less pain.
On the third day, TD received Detox # 3. His pains and discomforts were reduced by 70 percent.
On the fourth day, TD received Detox #3 and Lumbago # 98 programs. His pains and discomforts were further reduced by 90 percent.
Five days on herbs and e-Therapy TD has less pain, felt better, could sleep well and bowel movements were good. It was time for TD and his wife to go home to Jakarta.
TD was reminded to take care of his diet, take the herbs as prescribed, do the e-Therapy, be happy and think of best possible things that can happen and pray!

We also reminded TD that he is welcome to go to his doctors for more chemotherapy or radiotherapy if he wishes. The decision has to be entirely his.

Comments

No one cure can cure liver cancer – that is what we believe after seeing so many tragic cases that come to see us. Coming to CA Care does not mean we can offer a cure either. And patients are told this fact clearly. But what we can do is to offer relief and perhaps an ability to live a normal life. And for how long? No one can tell.

Read full medical history: Liver Cancer Part 1: Tumour shrunk after chemoembolization (TACE) and radiofrequency ablation (RFA) but new growths after six months.

Cancer: What It Takes To Be A Winner

Anne (not real name) is from Indonesia. She was diagnosed with lymphoma and underwent eight cycles of chemotherapy. She suffered severe side effects. The treatment did not cure her. About five months after the completion of her chemotherapy, the cancer recurred. There was a 2x2x3 cm mass in her left cheek and a swelling in her left neck. The doctor asked her to undergo radiotherapy and chemotherapy again. She refused.

She came to CA Care for herbs and changed her diet. After two months, Anne came back to Penang and reported that her health had improved tremendously. We then put Anne on the e-Therapy for a week. Her health improved further. A detail account of her healing is reported in another write-up, Lymphoma: Herbs and e-Therapy Brought Her Back to Good Life Again After Eight Chemos.

At the end of her stay in Penang, we pointed out to Anne that her improvement is all about herself. It was her attitude and her choice that made her well! We and people around her can only help but ultimately her success or failure depends entirely on herself – the patient. Listen to our conversation that day.

There are three important lessons we can learn from this case.

1. Enough is enough. Eight cycles of chemos did not cure her cancer. She was asked to go for more chemos plus radiation. Anne took a step back and re-evaluated her path. What could more chemo do for her given that eight cycles did not help? Do you want to say enough is enough, or do you want to allow yourself to be led like a lamb to the slaughter? Of course, you and you alone will have to make THAT CHOICE and bear the consequences of your decisioin.

After the chemos Anne suffered pains. The only thing the doctor could do was to prescribe her painkillers and gastric medication for her bad stomach. She started to read the websites. She heard horror stories from friends about how patients died after the chemos, and she reflected on her own experiences. To Anne, chemotherapy had adverse side effects. It did not cure her. So she decided not to go through it again. She was afraid. Her husband said, She decided to go for Dr. Chris’ herbal therapy.

2. Get your priority right. Help yourself first before others can help you. Anne came to seek our help. She benefited tremendously from the herbs and change of diet. We did not expect Anne’s healing to happen so soon. But it did. We thank God for this blessing. On the night of her second visit here, we asked Anne if she would stay a few days longer in Penang so that she could do the e-Therapy. Anne readily agreed – I would stay here for as long as you want me to do so. It was indeed a positive attitude that brought more healing to her.

Many patients come to Penang. They would go shopping or go elsewhere first. On the last day of their stay, they would drop by CA Care. The next day they are booked to go home. Given such a situation, there is nothing much we could do to help them. Where and what is their priority? We told Anne, That night when you came, we did not plan to put you on the e-Therapy at all. If you had decided to go home the next day you would have missed your healing! But you made the right choice of wanting to stay back. And you benefited from the e-Therapy.

3. Read and gather information for yourself. A friend gave Anne our book. She read it. Then she went into our websites. She read the healing stories. She was inspired by the story of a lawyer who had lymphoma like herself. Anne said, I read her story and I prayed and ask God if this was the way to go. Then I decided to go for herbs. I don’t want more chemo.

Unfortunately not many people are like Anne. We receive many e-mails every day from almost every corner of the globe. Most of them expect information to be dished out to them on a silver platter. It becomes obvious to us that they don’t read. All that they wanted to know are already written in our websites – www.cacare.com or www.CancerCareMalaysia.com . They just need to read them.

Of course, there are those who just like to sit in front of the computer in the comfort of their home and expect us to send them herbs. And then want to know answers for every problem that might crop up. They seem to throw their problems at us and expect us to do the chores for them. Go to our website: www.ADayWithChristeo.wordpress.com and these are examples of such e-mails.

This e-mail just came in while I was writing this article:

Dokter Chris, kenapa dada pak sakit sampai kepunggung. Sudah beberapa hari tidak bisa tidur. Miring ke kanan sakit, miring ke kiri juga sakit. Saya R, anaknya di Jakarta (Doctor Chris, why is that my father has been having pains in the back for the past few days until he was not able to sleep. Could not turn to the right or left).

My reply: Before this no pain? What did he do wrong? Bad diet? Before this he was doing fine. The question you need to ask is: What did he do wrong just before the pains occurred?

Iya dokter, makan makan papa sedikit salah. Karena sebelumnya kondisi tubuhnya lemah tidak ada tenaga. Jadi dia ada makan sedikit pantangan untuk memulihkan kondisi tubuhnya. Apa yang harus kami lakukan dokter? (Yes doctor, a bit of wrong diet. He felt he did have energy. So he ate foods that were “forbidden”. What do we do now?)

I did not want to be cruel by telling him to go and jump into the sea. So my answer was, Take it easy. Let us hope that the pain will go away with time. Try the Pain Tea. Hope it helps. I did not remind him to stop taking the bad food, believing that he has learned it the hard way.

Let us remind you this. Cancer is not just about a tumour in your breast, lung or liver. It is about you, as a human being. There is this quotation, There is no incurable disease, only incurable people.

Unfortunately our experience tells that only 30 percent of patients who come to us benefit from our therapy, the remaining 70 percent cannot. We emphasize the word again, CANNOT. You may wish to ask us why cannot. We hope patients know that one of the most important criteria for success is the person himself. It is not just about the herbs. Many patients come to us with a very high expectation for finding a magic bullet. There is none here.

We have refrained from giving advice or prescribing herbs through the net. It is just a futile effort. If your problem is serious enough, or if your loved one is precious enough, come and see us face to face. Bring along your medical reports and we shall try to help you out. By doing this, we would be able to assess the patient (or those taking care of the patient) as a person.

After knowing the medical history, we would then prescribe the herbs. Prescribing herbs is a very simple thing to do. We often tell patients, After talking to you for five minutes, we would probably know if we can help you or not. Perhaps, most patients don’t even understand what we meant by this. Patients come looking for a magic bullet. They want to find a cure on their own terms. They carry so much baggage and they don’t realize that.

Our experience tells us that if you want to heal yourself, one most important thing you must do is CHANGE – change your attitude, your lifestyle and your diet. There is no two ways about it.

We can only guide you, but patients must take care to heal themselves!

Lymphoma Recurred Two Years After Intensive Chemo – Took Herbs and Remained Well

Siew (A948) was 20 years old when he suffered high fevers on and off in 1996. There was also a lump on the left side of his neck. He consulted a Chinese sinseh who told him that this was due to heatiness. Since the problem persisted,

The treatment consisted of the following:

Induction Phase

Vincristine on days 1, 8, 15, 22 and 29.
Daunorubicin on days 1, 8, 15, 22 and 29.
Prednisolone on days 1 to 22.
L-asparaginase on days 15 to 28.

After the induction phase, treatment rested for 2 weeks and phase 2 started as follows:

Phase 2

Cyclophosphamide on days 26 and 50.
Ara C (andriamycin) on days 13 to 16, 43 to 46, 50 to 53 and 57 to 60.
6-MP, throughout cranial irradiation.
MTX
Cranial irradiation for 15 times.

After completion of Phase 2, treatment rested for 2 weeks and continued with:

Phase 3

Mitoxanthrone on days 2 and 3.
Ara C on days 1 to 4.

On 31 July 1997, Siew’s liver enzymes were elevated and HbsAg was reactive. His doctor thought this was probably due to blood transfusion related hepatitis. Further chemotherapy was withheld. Siew’s liver function returned to normal and the ultrasound of his abdomen was also normal. A Bone Marrow Aspiration (BMA) done on 17 September 1997, showed no evidence of infiltration.

From 1 October 1997, Siew was treated with MTX, L-asparaginase, folinic acide and methotrexate. On 29 October 1997, another BMA was performed and the result was negative. More chemotherapy treatments followed on regular basis until May 1998.

Siew was on oral medication in 1999. In 2000 he seemed to be well and was not on any medication. In July 2000, Siew came to seek our help. He was prescribed some herbs but that first visit was also his last visit to us.

About 2 years later, in March 2002, Siew came back to see us again. He presented with:

Feeling of heaviness in his head.
Tiredness.
Swellings on the right side of his neck. There were pulling sensations with slight pains.

We suggested that Siew go back to his doctors at the hospital for further medical treatment. Siew flatly refused. He told us that the doctor wanted to do a biopsy of the lump. He also knew that he would most likely have to undergo chemotherapy again. Siew said that in the past he had been very lucky to get out of the hospital alive. While in the hospital receiving treatment, he saw many patients in similar situation did not make it and died.

We respected Siew’s decision to opt for herbs instead of chemotherapy. We cautioned him that the lumps in his neck may not go away. And there would be no guarantee that he would be better either. Siew and his wife understood the risks he was taking.

Siew felt better after one week on the herbs. His head did feel heavy anymore. The lumps in his neck seemed to loosen up and there were no more pulling sensations. However, he still felt tired.

After about two months on the herbs, Siew noticed that the neck swelling seemed to increase in size. Also, there were additional lumps. However, Siew’s health was good.

After about a year on herbs, Siew reported that he had less episodes of fevers compared to previous time. However, sometimes he felt heaty. Our Heat Flu herbs helped him resolved this problem. At an earlier occasion, Siew showed us there were 3 lumps forming a loose cluster in his neck. But by then, two lumps had disappeared. The size of the remaining lump has gone smaller.

As of this writing, April 2009, it has been 7 years since Siew decided to abandon medical intervention and came to see. During this period, he took our herbs very religiously and kept to our recommended diet. Siew appeared well and did not suffer any problem. He is well to this day.

On 12 April 2009, we had a short chat with Siew and his wife. Following are excerpts of our conversation.

Chris (C): You look good.

C: You had cancer in 1997?

S: Yes. There was a lump at my neck. I went to GH for my chemo.

C: How long was your chemotherapy?

S: About 2 years, in and out of hospital.

W: After that it came back. In one and a half years, there was a big lump again.

S: Now there is also a lump.

W: But it is very small, so very tiny.

C: Let me see. Why is it red?

S: I touched it.

W: Cannot feel it any more. Last time, I could easily feel it. It was much bigger.

S: Last time, I can feel it as soon as I place my hand on the neck. Now, I have to really feel for it. I have to press into the neck to find it.

W: Like you say: Live with it.

C: In these seven years, do you have any problems?

S: Not really. Sometimes I may have a bit of fever.

W: Very seldom now. Last time, it was very often.

C: I remember, you used to have fevers very often.

W: In agreement.

S: When I get a headache, the fever will also come.

W: But it is nothing serious.

C: So, after the chemo, there was a recurrence?

W: The doctor wanted him to go for biopsy. But he ran away.

(Everybody laughing)

C: The doctor recommended chemo?

S: But they wanted to do a biopsy first.

W: I brought him out of the hospital.

S: She brought me home. She helped me run away.

C: What made you do that?

W: We already know that it is cancer. What is the point of doing another biopsy? It does not make sense. That was how I thought then. So, I brought him here. I don’t like the idea of disturbing the lump.

S: To me it is alright to do the biopsy. But after that, they want me to do chemotherapy. I do not want to do anymore chemotherapy. My wife’s way of thinking gave me a way (a choice) to refuse chemo.

W: He did not want to do any more chemotherapy as he suffered badly when he had his chemo before.

C: Was chemotherapy so terrible?

W: He even fainted on the road at one time.

S: It was a black out – but it was only for a short period of time. It was during my chemotherapy days.

W: And his liver was also affected. There was nothing wrong with his liver before the chemotherapy. The doctor said he had hepatitis and all sorts of thing. They wanted him to take more medications. Since he had a choice, he chose to come here. We did exactly what you told us to do. He drank apple juice and juice extracted from the leaves of seven needles plant and all that.

C: I remember. When you first came, I was also worried for you.

S: At that time, I was only twenty plus years old. Now I am already thirty plus years old.

W: But the most important thing is the food he eats.

S: If I were to go for chemo, I cannot do any work.

C: You mean, the two years during your chemotherapy, you did not work?

S: Yes, I did not work. You see, I cannot eat well. I vomited. I felt weak.

C: What about your memory?

S: Not bad.

W: You forget very easily. You do not have good memory.

S: Of course I can remember whatever happened a day or two ago. But for things that happened too long ago, I don’t remember very well.

W: He does not remember faces. Cannot recognize people he met.

C: Compare to the time before your chemo. Is there a difference in your memory?

S & W: Yes. There is a difference.

S: I forget more easily. I am not as sharp as before.

W: He is quite slow.

S: (In agreement) Yes. When I talk, it is not like before. I do not speak as fluently as before. Sort of become a bit blunt. Not as sharp as before.

W: And his hair is not as much as before. It had thinned a lot. And it had not grown back to as much as before.

S: When I talk, at times I cannot express myself well. I could not find the words to say whatever I wanted to say.

C: Before your chemotherapy, do you experience this?

S: No, never.

W: The only thing is he cannot eat what everybody else eats.

C: Don’t think so much about eating.

S: That is not important, that I am alive is good enough.

Comment

We have documented a similar case with Devi. She had a relapse soon after chemotherapy was completed. She took herbs and regained her health. It has been 12 years and Devi is still doing fine, leading a normal life. So Siew’s healing is not a fluke shot! It is a repeat of Devi’s case. Repeatability and this is what science is all about!

As of 2011, Siew is in perfect health and still taking the herbs. He has a very caring and supportive wife.

The Story of Devi: A lady lawyer about 40 years old, afflicted by Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

(Reproduced from our book: Cancer Yet They Live)

Sometime in June 1997 Devi was diagnosed as having lymphoma. After finishing all medical treatments she came to CA Care on 18 August 1998 and started on the Cancer Care Therapy. On 18 March 1999 we met up with Devi and documented her conditions on video tape. The following are excerpts of our conversation.

Q: What happened to you?

A: I was diagnosed as having lymphoma two years ago. There was a conflict over the treatment I was to receive. One oncologist said I could be cured by radiation. A few others felt that chemotherapy was the best solution. I opted for chemotherapy.

After my first dose of chemotherapy, my entire digestive system was badly affected. I spent two weeks in hospital, dosed with morphine. They could not discover why I was reacting that way.

Q: Why were you on morphine?

A: Because I was in pain. The moment I consumed food, I had very severe pain. I was lying in the hospital for two weeks until one day I went berserk because I had an overdose of morphine…I was not getting any better. I have a nice surgeon who performed the operation and when he visited me I told him that I was not getting any better. He agreed. It doesn’t look like you are. Do you want to be discharged?, he asked. So, I discharged myself.

I went to a clinic that practised chelation therapy and the doctor asked me what sort of diet I was on? I was told to stop taking solid food and to go on fruits, vegetables, semi-solids and fluids. Within two days on the recommended diet, the pain was gone.

Q: Did you take any other medication?

A: No. I was only on the diet, no medication whatsoever. I was on fruits, vegetables and semi-solids. Within a month, my digestive system was back to normal. After that month, I had to decide whether I wanted to go back for my next course of chemotherapy. I was really afraid of even considering chemotherapy. The doctor thought that it was best that I went back for radiotherapy. I went for 30 cycles of radiotherapy and then an extra five cycles.

Q: You stopped chemotherapy totally?

A: Yes. I did not want any chemotherapy. The radiotherapy was done five days a week, continuously.

Q: After the radiation, what happened to you?

A: Comparatively, I handled the radiation quite well. After radiation, I was sent for a scan and the doctor said there was no evidence of cancer. That was it, I thought that was the end. I never even conceived that the cancer (was) coming back again. I thought I was cured. Exactly a year later, I had a relapse of the lymphoma.

Q: After the radiation, you thought you were cured. Did you go back to your old diet?

A: Yes, I went back to my old lifestyle. I forgot about the fruit juices. I had a relapse of the cancer, this time in the abdominal region. There was no pain, but a feeling of uneasiness in the abdominal region. I was sent for a CT scan. They detected tumours in the abdominal region. The doctor said radiation was out. I went for six cycles of chemotherapy. The problem I faced during the chemotherapy was that after each session of the chemotherapy, even for the first dose, my white blood count used to drop to 0.7 … really rock bottom.

Each time my blood count went down, I was in the hospital for at least five days. I was given a series of injections to boost the blood count. The chemotherapy I had was one session every three weeks.

After six sessions of chemotherapy, I went for a scan. There was no sign of cancer. I was alright.

However, I was feeling lost again after the chemotherapy. There was a fear in me, like what would happen if the cancer comes back. It had come back the previous time. Would there be any drug or anything that I could go on taking that could keep the cancer at bay? The doctor said there was really nothing that I could do. Go for a check-up, look out for signs and if there was anything, go for a scan.

Q: Did you go for check-up regularly?

A: Yes. Firstly, it was every month. Then every two months.

Q: Why then, do you go for the herbs?

A: As I said earlier, after the chemotherapy that is the end of the road. Medically, they have nothing else to offer you. When I was in the hospital I heard patients talking about the rodent tuber. But nobody had really tried it out. So, I told myself that if medical science had nothing to offer me after this, the only other option available to me would be to move to nature. I had this feeling in me — we are so busy trying to develop things to cure ourselves that very often we overlook that the answer to all our cures is actually out there in nature.

I felt that I had nothing to lose by trying the rodent tuber. And that was when I came to see you.

Q: When you came to see me, were you feeling alright?

A: No, when I came to see you, I had just finished my six cycles of chemotherapy and I was feeling very weak.

Q: When you first started taking the herbs, what was your initial reaction? Were you sceptical about it?

A; Quite honestly, I was a bit sceptical. But at the same time, I thought it was my only hope. When you have an illness like cancer, you would grasp at any straw that is being held out to you.

Q: After taking the herbs, did you find confidence or get any help at all?

A: As time went on, I could actually feel my body recovering much faster. I felt much better. I was healthier and much more alive. I used to be half-dead.

Q: Do you really feel better or is it just a placebo effect?

No, no, no. I could really feel my body responding. For one thing, I could really feel, I had more energy. When I was undergoing my chemotherapy, and when I had finished my chemotherapy, there were times when I feel like I did not want to get out of my bed. I just got up to eat and then went back to my bed again. But after taking the herbs, I could feel myself building up energy and I was more active. And right now, I am healthy enough and I have even gone back to work.

Q: Before you took the herbs and while you were on medical treatments, did you go back to work?

A: No … for seven months.

Q: When you were on the herbs you began to pick yourself up?

A: Yes, I had more energy. I was more alive and hope started to build up. It affected me psychologically as well. I began to feel I was getting better. I went back to life the way it should be instead of just lying in bed. So, I started work and I am back full-time.

Q: How many months have you already been on the herbs?

A: About six months.

Q: What about your diet?

A: I am more of a vegetarian now, I keep off red meat and sea food except for fish. I eat fruits and vegetables.

Q: Some people say that if I cannot take my favourite food, life if not worth living. What is your comment to that ?

A: What I have to say to those people is, life is worth more than just your favourite food. It is a very small sacrifice to make. Life is much more that just food.

Q: You were a meat eater before and now you are a vegetarian. Many people say that if you don’t eat meat, you have no strength. What have you got to say about that?

A; No, not really. In fact, I feel much healthier now that I cut meat out of my diet. I have not lost energy at all.

On the subject of spirituality, Devi has this to say:

Many people are sceptical about God. … You ask a lot of people and they say they do not believe in God. But one thing I do know. I noticed that what really helps me out, apart from the diet and the herbs were religion and prayer. They gave me a lot of inner strength and belief. I found that it made a world of difference when I started praying, Before, I wasn’t an atheist, nor was I praying regularly. At times when I hit a real low, I would pray and I would meditate. That really helped to alleviate me out of my depression. Sometimes, I find the relief quite instantaneously.

Q: What kind of relief?

A: When you are talking about depression. It just hits you. When I was undergoing chemotherapy and my blood count dropped, I would be so listless, I could hardly eat anything. I had a feeling that I was not going to make it. It was then that I started going into prayer and meditation. When I finished I was more calm and the “I am not going to make it feeling” wasn’t there anymore. You feel that you can handle this kind of thing.

Q: You have been taking the herbs for the last six months, do you find at any one time during this period that you feel depressed and that you are not going to make it?

A: No.

Q: You are confident that you are going to go through it?

A: Yes.

Q: Do you go for your medical check-up?

A: Yes.

Q: So far so good?

A: Yes. I told my doctor that I was on herbal treatment, meditation and prayer. And during the last check up, he asked me if I am still on the herbs, prayer and mediation ? … I said, yes, very religiously. And he just laughed!

Note: As of this writing – 2011, Devi is still doing fine and is still taking the herbs!

CANCER: How to Make Decisions to Increase Your Odd of Winning

We make decisions every day. Some decisions are just over trivial matters. For some people, their decisions can be a “mother” of all decisions – especially if you or your loved one is being diagnosed with dreadful diseases like cancer. The consequence of your decisions can be a matter of living or dying. I always say this to cancer patients, Listen to whatever comments or advices others give you, but remember that at the end of it all, you and you alone are going to bear the consequences of that decision. YOU suffer or you die, NOT them.

Out of curiosity, before setting out to write this article I “googled”, How to make decisions to increase your odd of winning. The returns obtained were about roulette, blackjack, poker, betting, slot machine and investment, nothing about cancer!

The reality is that obtaining a cure for cancer is just like “striking the jackpot” (quoting a well known oncologist in Singapore). His statement implies that undergoing cancer treatment is not much different from going to a casino. The outcome is as uncertain as rolling the die. There would be losers and winners. And we know the odd of winning is very low indeed. In fact, any honest and seasoned oncologist would not even use the word “cure” for cancer treatment – they only talk about remission.

Researchers, scientists, doctors, etc. follow different protocols when making decisions. But the essential element is the same – it must be based on research data. By studying the data we hope to be able to increase our odds to win.

Theorist Versus Frequentist

Professor Stephen Schneider (in The Patient from Hell) explained this very well.

“In every course I teach I like to demonstrate the difference between two ways of thinking by using the example of a coin toss. I flip a coin onto the back of my hand and cover it. “What is the probability of the coin under my hand is heads?” “One-half”, someone always shouts out. “How do you know?” “Well, the coin has two sides”. You’re a theorist!

“Suppose you didn’t understand the coin toss theory and didn’t realize that there was an equal chance of flipping heads or tails? You just keep flipping it and count the number of heads and tails. You’re a frequentist! You want to put together a frequency chart … make a table with a column for heads and a column for tails and them you want to flip the coin multiple times. If you flip it often enough and the coin is unloaded, you’ll end up with frequency statistics showing an approximately 50 percent chance of flipping heads or flipping tails.”

“This is how scientists like to work: They like to have masses of data they can use to create probability distributions that depict the likelihood of potential outcomes… then scientists can make estimates that have high confidence levels. It’s the same in medicine. Doctors like looking at data from clinical trials performed on hundreds of patients over many years, which can provide clear evidence as to whether certain treatments are effective, on average.”

“Unfortunately, the questions … can’t be solved using … frequency data, because they involve many components of deep uncertainty.”

Professor Schneider concluded:

“Some scientists, including many medical doctors, still seem to be living in the nineteenth century in this respect, thinking that for any question, infinite sets of replicable experiments should be performed, providing them with data from which they can calculate probabilities … and “scientifically” tackle the problem at hand. Unfortunately, in the real world, as topics of inquiry become increasingly complex and involve questions about the future, scientists do not always enjoy the luxury of extensive, comprehensive and reliable frequency data when they need them.”

Intuition and Commonsense

At CA Care, I have a different view about how to solve problems. While data based on clinical trial is a good way to indicate our chances of obtaining certain benefits or survival, etc., the data need NOT apply to you as a patient. For example, if you undergo chemo, the 5-year survival rate is 30%. You may belong to that 30% who survived or you may belong to the 70% who don’t survive. Nobody can tell for sure which group you belong to. So research data like that only provides you with a confidence level, saying that what you are going to do has a certain degree of probability that you are right.

So at CA Care I tell cancer patients to make decisions based on intuition and common sense. Experiences show that at times certain thing happens beyond the understanding of science, yet the “heart” seems to “sense” it. Patients come to me asking if they should undergo chemotherapy or not. My answer is: What does your heart say? I do not ask, What did your doctor say or what did your relatives or friends say. My advice is, Follow your heart or the Inner Voice within you.

This does not mean that I ask you to ignore scientific data. Bear in mind that I was once a researcher and a scientist. But I also know that science deals only with the physical realm. You and I and life are made up of the sum total of the physical and spiritual realms. The spiritual realm is superior to the physical realm. The spiritual realm impacts the physical realm. Science believes the opposite – the physical is everything and the spiritual does not exist and is totally ignored.

So for any life and death decision, I believe you cannot ignore your spiritual self. Also, I urge you to use your commonsense. There is a saying, Educated men need not be wise, and wise men need not be educated. Each of us is capable of making wise decision – you don’t need to be a scientist to make wise decisions. In order to guide you to make decisions, I say you need to consider the pros and cons – a more scholarly term is to carry out a Cost-Benefit Analysis. Count your costs and weigh them against the benefits. Decide for yourself what you really want out of this life. Doctors have their own perspectives of what is good for you. Their value judgment may differ greatly from yours or may be even opposite of yours. Following totally the doctors’ advice means you totally agree with their value judgment. Is this what you really want?

The function of CA Care is to provide you with honest, unbiased information of the various options available to you. Having done that, it is up to you to make your own decision based on what you think is right for you. We do NOT talk the language of doctors. We don’t think like them too. But this does make us anti-doctors. CA Care is not anti-doctors. Everyone who comes to see us is advised to consult his/her doctor first. If you want to do chemo, radiotherapy, etc. and etc., go ahead and do it. The only thing we tell you is, You are responsible for the consequences of your decisions. Don’t use our herbs your scapegoat. If is most unfair to come back and blame us when things go wrong. Unfortunately some patients do that.

I am not alone in advocating such practice. Let me quote Professor Schneider again:

“What is “dangerous” is a value judgment … It is the policymakers who need to decide whether risks are acceptable … or should be ignored …. We scientists can provide policymakers with information on which they can better make these decisions. In a medical setting, the science comes from medical research studies and doctors’ opinion based on their experience with data on, and knowledge of the subject. The “policymakers” are the patients, who, working together with their doctors, must make value judgment about what health risks to take.”

Experience of a Near-Missed Flight

Let me relate what happened to us a few days ago while wanting to fly home from the US. Our flights involved Delta 1097 from Raleigh-Durham (RDU) to Los Angeles (LAX) – Taipei – Penang. It does not take a scientist to know that if Delta 1097 is delayed, we would have missed the other connecting flights. I knew where the “weakness” was. And we must be well prepared for it.

From the Airline’s website, we studied the history of Delta 1097. For the past eight days (Table below) DL 1097 had always left RDU at about 8 pm and arrived LAX by about 10 pm. Since we have to be at the check-in counter of China Airlines by about 12 midnight for the connecting flight to Taipei, I figured out I have ample time. So our risk of missing the connection is very slim. There would be no problem! So my daughter bought the Delta ticket with full confidence that everything would be alright.

27-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	09:56PM EDT	11:35PM PDT	4:39
26-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	08:15PM EDT	09:59PM PDT	4:44
24-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	07:51PM EDT	09:54PM PDT	5:03
23-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	08:39PM EDT	10:31PM PDT	4:52
22-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	08:48PM EDT	10:38PM PDT	4:50
20-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	08:12PM EDT	10:22PM PDT	5:10
19-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	08:07PM EDT	10:04PM PDT	4:57
17-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	07:52PM EDT	10:07PM PDT	5:15
16-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	08:12PM EDT	10:12PM PDT	5:00
15-June	Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)	Los Angeles	08:10PM EDT	10:04PM PDT	4:54

Somehow on the evening of 25 June, I did not feel good about our flight home on 27 June. Something in me – my intuition – was saying that something was going to go wrong. I requested our daughter to find an alternative flight – probably taking the flight a day before or a flight in the morning on the same day. This would mean we could be in Los Angeles well ahead of time. I was fully aware that my request made my daughter “go crazy.” Daddy must be mad to cook up something like this. Why push the panic button unnecessarily? This is what they call “borrowing worry.” But anyway, we tried to “fix” my concern the next day. Unfortunately we could not find any slot in spite of the many possible flights out of RDU.

Looking at the flight data above, the worse delay that had ever occurred so far was on 22 June. The flight was delayed by about an hour due to poor weather in Atlanta – thus causing a chain reaction. My son (in training to be a scientist too, doing Ph.D. in Cancer Biology at M.D. Anderson!) assured me that based on the above data, there should NOT be any reason why I should lose my sleep. He predicted the flight would go as schedule. The previous delay was due to weather condition. But in my case, the weather was fine. Disruption by weather condition in summer is rare. So in theory the odd against serious flight delay is minimal in my case. So, we made a “scientific decision” just like oncologists do when they give patients chemotherapy or radiotherapy.

Before going to the airport, I was tracking the flight schedule at home. Everything seemed to be okay. With confidence, on 27 June, we drove to the airport to catch our DL 1097. It was about 5 pm then and we were about to arrive at the airport. My daughter’s mobile phone rang. She picked it up. Then there was a sober silence. I asked, Delta called? Flight delay? Irene (a Clinical Psychology Ph.D. intern at Duke University), being a very gentle lady that she always is, said, Papa, please don’t panic. Yes, the flight was delayed until 9.15 pm! In actual fact, it was not really 9.15 pm. The flight only took off at 10 pm. This was the worst delay ever recorded. I told my daughter, My intuition turned out correct. We will take it easy. This thing happened for a reason. But it not as critical as those cancer patients whose lives have been turned upside down and inside out after being told they have cancer. Take it positively.

In theory this delay put the probability of us missing our connecting flight as extremely high. I remember thinking what would happen to all those cancer patients who wanted to see me on Friday, I July afternoon. They had bought their tickets to fly in from Indonesia and Singapore hoping to see me. They would be disappointed.

Our “fighting” instinct took over. We were supposed to go for our dinner first before arriving at the airport. We had already checked in on-line. Because of what had happened we drove straight to the airport. We talked to the Delta people and asked for possible alternative routing or airline. Unfortunately, there was no other option left. We still have to take Delta 1097 and bet on our luck.

Imagine the predicament I would face – what was I to do after landing in Los Angeles in the middle of the night? Where to go? How to find another flight to come home?

To cut the story short, we did not miss our connection! On Wednesday 27 June we landed home safely in Penang as scheduled. How did we pull this off?

These are the reasons why.

We did not panic and kept our cool. Instead of cursing Delta, we accepted the situation.
We started to take positive actions to solve the problem – taking the bull by the horn! We drove to the airport right away instead of going to dinner first. We had to find the solution to our problem and did not allow the problem to revolve by itself or taking it “lying down.”
We talked to the Delta staff. David, the gentleman who handled our case, was very helpful but he could not offer any alternative flight. They were either all full or not suitable. But one thing David did right, which I believe helped increased our odd at “winning”. David offered to transfer our baggage from Delta to China Airlines without us having to wait at the baggage area and collect it personally. This is something the airline does not normally do because we have separate tickets for both flights from different airlines. No doubt about it, if we have to wait to collect our baggage, we would definitely miss our connecting flight.
Then, we worked out a back-up plan, should we miss the connecting flight. This provided us with peace of mind. We knew exactly that we would have to do. The fear of being left stranded in the big Los Angeles airport in the middle of the night evaporated. After this was sorted out, we went for our dinner. I ordered an extra-large bowl of Vietnamese noodle – and there were no butterflies in my stomach!
Looking at my watch before the plane was about to land in Los Angeles, I felt we would miss the connecting flight. I made another move. I relayed our problem to the flight attendants and asked for help. I requested to pick up my hand-on and let us be the first ones to get out of the plane. The male steward listened to my request and shrugged his shoulders. Either he did not understand me or he was dumb or was not the helpful type. I then talked to the female attendant in charge and she understood me. She made an announcement requesting other passengers to hold on to allow us to leave first. I looked at my watch again. We only had 10 minutes to get out of the plane and rushed from Terminal 5 to Terminal 3 where China Airlines is. That was a big deal.
My daughter took another positive step. She informed the China Airline counter about our problem. So when we arrived at the check-in counter at 12 midnight, we were attended to right away.
Three weeks earlier, when my wife and I arrived at the Los Angeles airport, I did my homework. In preparation for such anticipated problem, I took time and walked around to study the layout of the airport. I made sure I know how to get to the International terminal from the Delta terminal. I had to turn left not right! So I have done my homework well ahead of time.

What a relief after being given the boarding pass by China Airlines. There was no more fear that we would miss our flight! My wife and I went through the security check.

Feeling relieved, I became complacent. I blindly followed other passengers to the boarding gate and couldn’t careless to check what our depart gate was, as printed on our boarding pass. After all the planning and rushing, you believe that Chris Teo would do such a silly thing? We ended going to the wrong end of the terminal. The China Airline boarding gate was on the opposite end of the terminal. I should have checked first and turned right instead of left. I did not do that and was complacent. I should not have followed other passengers blindly! Again, it was a mad rush. The plane took off about 30 minutes late, not because of my fault though – it was a full-load and that took time to get everyone on board.

Lessons We Can Learn

I have never been in such a predicament before. But I must say, my predicament was not anywhere near what cancer patients experience after being told that they have cancer. I am also not saying that the way I solve my problem is the best way. You may have your own way – so be it. Nevertheless, I believe there are some basic ingredients in every successful endeavor – whether missing a plane flight or having cancer. These are some important points to remember.

Don’t panic when confronted with a problem.
Everything in life happens for a reason. Later on you may want to find that reason but for the moment, it is not the time to find that reason. No need to ask why. No need to find a scapegoat.
Take positive actions to resolve the problem. Give your best shot. This is your problem. If you do not show much interest to help yourself, don’t expect others to help you.

I receive e-mails from patients every day. Indeed I felt disappointed reading some of them. Many like to throw their problems at me and expect me to solve their problems while they sit in front of their computers at home! My answer has always been: If I can help you, please come and see me. If you cannot come and see me, how do you expect me to give you my full attention?

Please read the e-mails below.

Hi Dr Teo, Thank you for your prompt response. I am from Singapore. In fact, I had placed an order for Rodent Tuber capsules from one supplier in Malaysia as my mother had problem taking the grinded fresh rodent tuber plant since she complaint of biting on the tongue and throat. Besides this plant, she is constantly seeking TCM treatment.

Reply: That stuff cannot possibly be from CA Care. We don’t do things like that. Patients need to come and see me with all the medical reports before we give out our herbs.

Thanks for your reply. I had gone into your homepage. In my mom’s case, there was no biopsy done. It’s merely from the X-ray done that the doctor concluded that it’s advanced stage lung cancer (both sides). If I can get hold of the X-ray results and emailed to you, is it possible for you to give some recommendation?

My reaction: How serious or valuable is her mother’s life? Sitting in front of a computer is not going to help much.

4. Formulate a back-up plan in case the first plan fails. This is the reason why I often tell patients, If you do not get any better or benefit after two weeks of taking the herbs and changing your diet, please go to someone else for help.

Goh is a 58-year male with multiple myeloma. He received 22 cycles of chemo and suffered a relapse. He was asked to undergo 32 cycles more of chemo. After 6 cycles of the second round of chemo, he gave up due to severe side effects. What does commonsense tell you about such a case?

5. Share your problems with others. There may be opportunities that you may not know about. If presented courteously, those in the position to help may offer extraordinary help to solve your problem. In my near-miss flight, David at the RDU airport and the female flight attendant had contributed positively. Without their help I am sure we would have missed the connecting flight.

6. Do your homework. This again is one thing that upset me after reading e-mails from patients. People who wrote me did not read our website carefully enough. Most of the things you need to know about cancer and how to go about it, can be found in our website. What you need to DO is just read them – and I know most of them don’t read. They want me to serve them the information on a silver platter. Remember that knowledge is power. There is a Chinese saying: Dig your well before you become thirsty. Do that if you are wise.

7. Don’t be complacent. I almost had to pay for my own foolishness. Many cancer patients become complacent after they get well – they think they have already solved their problem. Such people would then go back to their old ways and fall into the same hole again. Cancer can recur. To me, there is no such thing as a permanent cure for cancer. So don’t be misled.

Let me give you one example. There was this elderly lady with colon cancer. She refused chemotherapy and was with us for more than three years now. She was doing very well. Lately, she told her family that she was fed up taking the herbs besides having to take care of her diet. She and her family came to see us. I gave her a big smile and laughed. And I said, It is fine with me. It is your life and if you wish to “go home early” that is okay too. After all many of us believe that living in this world is nothing else but suffering. But if you want me to agree to what you want to do, I must say you are foolish. Why do you want to change something that has made you well in the first place? Anyway, if the cancer comes back, you can always go for chemo. You have not done that yet! The problem with cancer is that we do not know when it will strike back again. There is no room for complacency.

Experiencing the e-Therapy: A Chat With My Buddy

He is my buddy. We spent our young days in the State of Kelantan and were classmates while in the Agriculture College in Serdang. In December 2010, my buddy and his family came to Penang for a visit. My buddy’s wife has a long standing problem with rheumatoid arthritis. While at the centre we put her on the e-Therapy. She felt good! That’s another story! My buddy also used the e-Therapy at home.

Listen to what he has got to say about his experience with the e-Therapy.

Note: More about my buddy https://cancercaremalaysia.com/2010/12/10/the-story-of-my-buddy-colon-liver-cancer/

Medically written off liver cancer: Severe itchiness disappeared after four sessions of e-Therapy

Bob was a 57-year-old male. In early 2010 he went to a government hospital complaining of shortness of breath. Examination indicated irregular hard swelling below the costal margin (liver area). He was jaundiced. A CT scan on 19 April 2010 indicated multiple nodules of varying sizes in both lung fields suggestive of metastases. Soft tissue nodules at the hilum – right measures 1.4 x 1.4 cm, left measures 2.3 x 2.7 cm. Enlarged liver with a 9.9 x 10.5 cm lesion in the right lobe. Multiple lesions present in both lobes of the liver. These may represent metastases.

The doctor asked Bob to go home and wait for his time. This was no treatment for him and he was given a referral letter to the Hospice.

Bob came to CA Care on 7 May 2010 and presented with difficulty breathing and shortness of breath, itchiness throughout the whole body and he was not able to sleep flat.

He was prescribed: Capsule A & B, Lung 1 and Lung 2, Liver 1 and Liver 2 teas. A week on the herbs, Bob’s health improved. He was able to sleep well. He had more energy and his breathing had improved. On 30 May 2010, Bob said his appetite was extremely good. But he was unable to sleep because of severe itchiness. We put Bob on the e-therapy. After a day on the e-therapy, his itchiness subsided and he was able to sleep well. After four days, the itchiness disappeared.

Believing that he was already cured, Bob started to go around with his friends and ate anything he liked. He became breathless and died a few days later. He came to tell us his story a day before he died. Listen to the video below to know what happened.

Peter shared his story with us in July 2000.

Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)

Los Angeles

09:56PM EDT

11:35PM PDT

4:39

Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)

Los Angeles

08:15PM EDT

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Los Angeles

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Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)

Los Angeles

08:39PM EDT

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4:52

Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)

Los Angeles

08:48PM EDT

10:38PM PDT

4:50

Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)

Los Angeles

08:12PM EDT

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5:10

Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)

Los Angeles

08:07PM EDT

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Los Angeles

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Raleigh-Durham (KRDU)

Los Angeles

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