DK is an Indonesian. He was diagnosed with stomach cancer by a doctor in Penang. From Penang, he went to Singapore seeking for a second opinion. He got the same advice. After surgery, he needs chemotherapy. There is no two ways about it.
In Singapore, the operation would cost SGD60,000 while the follow up chemotherapy cost SGD40,000. That makes a total of about SGD100,000.
In early August 2017, DK came back to another private hospital in Penang and decided to an undergo an operation here. His whole stomach was removed (picture below). The same surgery cost RM50,000. He stayed in the hospital for about ten days.
The histopathology report indicated a well differentiated intestinal-type adenocarcinoma. T3N1Mx, at least Stage 3A.
After surgery, DK was referred to the oncologist who told him that he needed eight cycles of chemotherapy. The drugs to be used are: infusion of Oxaliplatin plus oral TS-One. The total cost of the treatment is around RM50,000 (the total cost of surgery and chemotherapy in Penang is three times cheaper than Singapore).
The Penang oncologist told him, No problem. Chemo can cure! But if you don’t do chemo, the cancer can recur.
DK came to see us and was started on the herbs for about two weeks.
We did not get to see him again after that.
After some months, in January 2018, DK came back to see us again.
What happened? We were told that DK stopped taking our herbs. He went for chemotherapy instead. This was in the months of November to December 2017. After two cycles, DK decided to stop chemotherapy and switched to our herbs again.
DK’s case was out of my radar for a while until September/November 2018 when his wife and daughter came to report on DK’s progress. I really did not know why he decided to switch treatment half way like that. Do you want to know? Listen to his wife’s explanation.
After taking herbs for about two weeks he opted for chemotherapy. Why? It was not due to the bitter taste or awful smell of the herbs. It was about food. Following our therapy means he has to take care of his diet. He cannot eat what he likes anymore. That restriction did not go well with him. If he goes for chemo, doctor says he can eat what he likes. Great!
After two shots of chemo, he decided to switch to herbs again. Why? As most people know, chemo has too much severe side effects. He could not take it. So he had to kuai-kuai (good naturedly) come back to herbs again.
After taking our herbs for about a year, is he okay? So far so good.
While on our herbs, is he taking care of his diet? This is a million dollar question. Her daughter just smiled when I asked her this question. Yes, at home, his wife makes sure he eat correctly. But he goes out with friends everyday – what he does no one knows.
What do you think is going to happen to him? Your guess is just as good as mine. And I have a story to share with you.
Not long ago, I have a patient. Let’s call him Jim. He also had stomach cancer. I asked him to remove his cancerous stomach, which he did. He decided not to undergo chemotherapy and came to me for herbs. Jim is a nice and friendly man. Whenever he came to our centre we always had a long chat like old friends. We talked about everything. At one time, he said he wanted to write a book about his life story. I encouraged him to do so and offered to help him edit the script. We started that project … yes, chapter one was done!
For one year, Jim was doing very well on our herbs. He looked great and he felt great. Jim used to tell me that his appetite had increased twice as much compared to the time before he had cancer. And remember, he has no more stomach!
Then one day, Jim had stomach pain. I asked him to go back to his surgeon (who is also his friend) and find out what happen. His intestine was so packed up with undigested food. Jim needed a surgery immediately.
After surgery, Jim was back to our centre again. He looked thin and lost a lot “oomph” of life. Unfortunately, Jim did not last long. Some months later he died. I have lost a good friend and a patient so soon.
Some weeks later, Jim’s daughter came to our centre. We sat down and shared our sorrow. My question — did Jim really take care of his diet? With tears in her eyes, Jim’s daughter replied, NO. I could sense the frustration in her.
Let the truth be told. No, Jim did not take care of his diet since day one! After he recovered from his first surgery, he would go out with his friends (yes, being a jovial man that he is, he has many friends!) and they would go out to eat what they like. No wonder his small intestine had turned into a “well packed sausage” that had to be removed.
Then Jim’s daughter added that even after his second surgery, her father did not learn his lesson. After he recovered from that surgery, again he went out with friends to various places in Penang where there is good food.
I felt sad to hear this story. But that is the way it is. So if you ask me again, what can happen to DK. I would say, I hope the ending is not going to be like Jim. But right down in me, I know that the chances of the making another Jim’s story is very high indeed.
DK is a 58-year-old Indonesian. His problem showed up in June 2017, when he passed out blood in his stools. He went to the hospital for check up. His blood was low and he needed a blood transfusion. He then came to a private hospital in Penang for consultation.
CT scan on 16 June 2017 indicated a focal mucosal lesion in the gastroesophageal junction, in keeping with early tumour. A small perigastric node noted suggestive of reactive node.
An endoscopy indicated a cardio-oesophageal junction tumour.
Biopsy indicated abnormal villoglandular tissue with high grade dysplasia.
Based on the above, the doctor said DK has to go for surgery after which need radiotherapy.
DK decided to defer further treatment because he had undergone a heart by-pass operation just six weeks ago.
DK and his family came to seek our advice. We had a long, sober conversation that morning.
The following are some important points we discussed.
We are in a very difficult situation. Taking our herbs cannot make the tumour go away. Let this truth be told. Others may promise you a cure. But not here. I don’t want to mislead you.
The best option is surgery. But even operation does not guarantee you a cure. No one can tell. This problem is even more complicated in your case. Six weeks ago you had a heart surgery — and you are asked to go for another surgery followed by chemotherapy or even radiotherapy. So we have to be a bit more careful.
Another concern is whether you have gone to the right doctor.
According to DK’s son the doctor had admitted that he deals mostly with colon cancer and therefore he needed another doctor (a stomach specialist) to assist him in the operation. In view of this, I suggested that DK go for a second opinion.
Where do you go for such an operation?
One option is to try SGH/NCC (Singapore General Hospital / National Cancer Centre) in Singapore.
When talking to the doctor, ask these two questions. One, can the surgery cure me? Two, what would be the total cost of the treatment?
Also take note that surgery may not be able to solve all your problem. It may not even cure you. No one can tell. But that is the only option you have.
After the surgery, if you don’t want to go for chemotherapy, you can opt for our herbs. I have patients before you who did exactly that. After surgery he refused chemo and took the herbs. He is still doing well for years now. There is another patient who refused chemo. His surgeon sent him to see us. It has been three years now and he is doing fine.
What if don’t go for the operation, I only take your herbs?
Let me be very clear. Herbs cannot cure you. Herbs can help you, extend your life — may be. We cannot talk about cure.
I am aware this is a heavy responsibility to bear. If you take our herbs and you ended up with more problems you may want to blame us. It is because of your herbs! Your doctors may also blame us. So it is difficult.
In fact I would rather people NOT come and see me, if possible.
At CA Care we provide free advice — no consultation fee. And we have to bear a heavy responsibility. It is hard.
It is okay, I want to take your herbs!
Let me be clear. Please don’t blame us if you end up with problems. I shall try my best to help and that is all I can do.
There is need to rush. Go home and think carefully. You can go and seek the help of another doctors. Get this sorted out within a month. Unnecessary delay is also not advisable.
I have given you my sincere opinion. If I were in your situation, I would have done what I have just told you. Go for the operation. May be I go to Singapore. Whether you want to accept my advice or not, it is your decision. So go home and think carefully.
No, doc. I want to try your herbs!
What do your son and wife say? Let me remind you again, the herbs cannot cure you!
Okay, in the meantime you can follow our therapy — take the herbs to see if you like it or not. Then you have to take care of your diet. In fact taking care of your diet may also help with your heart problems.
EK is a 66-year-old female. About 2 years ago, she felt stomach discomforts after eating. If she had soft diet, then she was okay. She did nothing about this problem. During the Chinese New Year, 2015, she felt something blocking when she took food. Then she vomited. The problem went away after that. In June 2015, she went to a medical clinic and the doctor said she might have thyroid problem. However, an endoscopy and biopsy in July 2015 indicated stomach cancer.
EK and her son came to seek out help after being told that EK had to undergo chemotherapy followed by surgery. EK did not want to undergo these procedures. Why? Listen to our conversation that day.
Summary of our conversation
Chris: Does your mother know about this?
Patient: Yes. When doing the scope, the doctor told me on the spot that I have cancer. The doctor then asked me to undergo chemo. Must decide immediately. Chemo is to shrink the tumour first. After that, they will operate me, to remove my stomach.
Son: He was trying to convince her to immediately proceed with the treatment. But when I did research on line the chemo does not work so well with diet causing cancer.
C: I understand. You are not the only one. Many others are like you too. You do not get cancer only yesterday. Perhaps it has been there for the past 5 or even 10 years already.
P: Only 2 years ago.
C: Perhaps 5 years ago it was already there but it did not show up and you did not feel anything. Most people do not “listen” to their body. For you, only now it shows up. What do you want to do? You have to decide. Correct, on the one hand you can have it removed and maybe it is gone. Do you want to operate?
P: I don’t want to operate. The doctor told me if I do not operate the tumour will grow. It may cause blockage and bleeding. And it is going to be very painful.
C: The doctor said you have to do chemo first and then surgery. Did you ask him if these procedures are going to cure you?
P: No doctor would guarantee that.
S: Why I feel not satisfied is every time we discuss with the doctor — he never want to tell us the probability. They don’t know. Depend on patient, this can happen, that can happen. They don’t know and dare not go into this subject.
P: The doctor told me it is going to be 50: 50.
S: They never tell us about the side effects. What can happen after that? I spent about 2 weeks researching (in the internet) I know that there are a lot of (side effects).
C: Okay, take it easy. Relax. Go home and think about it and decide. Listen to your heart and not your head. If your heart says operate, then go for the operation. If your heart says no operation, then don’t do the operation. Take it easy.
This is a major surgery. The whole stomach has to be removed. Understand this. If the cancer does not spread, then removing it is good. Clean and throw it away and it is gone. But if the cancer has already spread, that is where the problem is. If it has already gone to the liver, what do you do? Cut the liver also? It is hard for us to decide what is the best thing to do now.
After removing your stomach, you can’t eat anything you like any more. You need to adjust your diet. It is going to be a bit difficult.
Then that 50:50 chance — may be it may not end up 50:50 at all — we don’t know.
You can’t blame the doctor because that is all they know.
Then, back to this again. What if you do not do operate? First, the tumour may grow and block (the passage way). You cannot eat and vomit. So, you may have to face these problems.
All these basically mean — you cut, you die; you don’t cut you also die. But everybody also has to die. The question to ask is: How do you want to die? That is the most important thing.
If you go for surgery, you may die on the table. We don’t know.
P: Yes, that was what the doctor told me. If something goes wrong, you die.
C: You also need to know this. If you cut, you also need to suffer later … due to the chemo, etc. Go through all these sufferings and die. May be not worth it. This is one scenario. Another scenario is, now you are still well with no problem. If you can take care of yourself, maybe you don’t have to die sooner, may be you don’t have to suffer so much. But know that one day you have to die. So, which one do you want” Think for yourself.
You come and see us — can we cure you? No, we are not god. But we also know that we have helped a lot of people already. They don’t die that soon. But they have to learn how to help themselves. Learn how to live with your cancer. Tell your cancer — you stay in there but don’t disturb me, and I don’t disturb you. If I die, you (cancer) also die.
If there is blockage, then you have to go for surgery. If not, relax.
We know this is dangerous, we know this is a rare cancer. In one year, we do not see many case like this.
Okay, do you want to go home and think first what you want to do?
P: No, I don’t want surgery. Then go for chemo — no, my whole body would collapse! The doctor also told me that even if I did the operation, he would not be able to remove everything. May be something may be left behind. Because of that, I want to go for natural therapy.
C: Do you understand that it may not cure you? People come and ask us to cure them. Our answer is, No we cannot cure you. Because we know that cancer cannot be cured, but to help you — YES. But you have to want to help yourself first. But how long you want to help yourself is up to you. Some people get well after 6 months — they forget what we taught them after that!
S: Professor. Thanks for reminding us. I know in terms of diet, it is not easy to change.
EK and her son were desperate. And they need help. The doctor wanted her to go for chemo and surgery for her stomach cancer that had probably spread to the liver, pancreas, spleen and lymph nodes. In simple language, this is an advanced cancer, where surgery alone cannot cure her. The cancer cannot be totally removed. That means, the chance of recurrence is very high. In addition EK has to undergo chemotherapy. EK knew what she was asked to go into and decided not to follow the medical way.
EK and her son clearly need help. CA Care was set up to exactly to do this — to help those in need of direction and help. And we are ready to help. But for those who come to CA Care in search of “magic bullet” or any easy way out, then we say you have come to the wrong place. Please go elsewhere to shop for your cure.
EK’s son took time to browse the internet for more information. He was clearly unhappy that he could not discuss anything with the doctors. Understandable, doctors are busy people and they don’t have the time to explain things to the patients or their family members. Read what Dr. Heymann wrote:
It is unfortunate that doctors do not have the time to show much concern about the patients. EK was told right there and then, while doing the scope, that she has cancer and chemo has to be done immediately. The message came like a bomb. No doubt about, the “death sentence” as many like to call it, caused much anxiety and distress not only to the patient but also the entire family. Patients and their family members want to know MORE, but they cannot get much information from the doctor. At CA Care, we try our best to answer your concerns and provide information as honestly as we can — to empower you with knowledge so that you can make informed decisions.
While in the midst of writing this story, a patient came to our centre. He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer that has spread extensively to his liver. After the CT scan, the doctor told him: We cannot operate you. We cannot chemo you. Go home, eat anything you like and go and play as much golf as you like. The patient told us, I know what that mean. The doctor virtually told me to go home and wait to die. It was indeed a great let down. We don’t know how he took it, knowing that this man was once the deputy head of a state government, a VVIP. He and his wife spent about one and half hours at our centre. We answered everything that they wanted to know. No doubt, they were satisfied. They now know what they CAN and NEED to do next.
Read again what Dr. Jody Heymann wrote:
Pose this question to the Power-that-Be, Given the above situation,what can we do to improve the situation? Is building more hospitals the answer? Perhaps we don’t need expensive hospitals but train people who run hospitals with a more “human heart”.
I am fully aware too that during our consultation, I am often very blunt. To most people, may be the mention of the word “death” is a taboo and is very objectionable. But at CA Care, we often bring this subject up with the patients. This is because we want them to understand the bigger picture of the problem. We fully understand, ALL patients want to be cured of their cancer, no matter how advanced their disease may be. Many patients say they want to “fight” to the end. Well said, but do you still want to fight with the SAME weapons, if you know with almost certainty that you are going to lose the war. In addition, you suffer as a consequence. Some even leave a “big hole” in their bank account for the next-of-kin to settle. The only winners in the game are the doctors, hospitals and drug companies!
Perhaps you may wish to reflect on these two quotations:
We are not implying here that patients with terminal cancer should just give up — go home and wait to die like the case of the VVP above. Far from it. Perhaps the question to ask is, If the expensive, scientific medicine cannot cure your cancer, can there be another option? At least another option which can allow patients to live in peace without suffering, even though we all know that cancer cannot be cured.
EK and the VVIP above did not give up. At least they came to CA Care and they found “peace” and a new “hope”.
The file of YM laid buried among the pile of papers on my desk – almost forgotten. But about two months back (mid-2013), a medical doctor came to seek our help. When asked who sent him here, he replied it was his neighbour, YM. I asked the doctor how YM is doing. He replied, Very well. This episode make me go back to my old files and I started to track YM’s case. This is her story.
YM was diagnosed with stomach cancer in July 2007. A biopsy confirmed a poorly differentiated adenocarcinoma of the stomach. She underwent 6 cycles of chemotherapy. She took Xeloda for two weeks and stopped. Apparently the doctor suggested that her stomach be removed. YM was in a dilemma, not knowing whether to go for the operation or not. I recalled it was at this point in time that YM called me and we spoke on the phone. YM had just started taking our herbs. On 30 December 2007, YM and her family came to our centre in Penang.
This is the recording of our meeting that day.
The following are e-mails that give more details about YM’s cancer experience.
4 January 2008: Dr Chris,
I have come to see you last Sunday. My file number is T-711. I am a lecturer at Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman. I have decided to hold on to my surgery and take your herbs for a long-term basis. I hope your herbs will prevent the need to do a surgery. I am taking capsule A, C-tea, Stomach 1 and 2. I am trying my best to adhere to your advice on the diet but I still have the following questions and hope you can answer them for me:
1. Does it matter when I take the stomach tea? Should I take it on empty stomach? Is it ok if I take it after juice or right after my dinner?
2. Can I take C-tea with Capsule A together or any other supplements like multi-vitamin. calcium, vitamin c, and plant oil?
3. I know that I should take stomach tea and C-tea at separate time. What is the minimum time interval between the 2 teas?
4. I read from your website that capsule A is for detox purpose. But C-tea is also for detox purpose (as told by you). Why am I asked to take 2 things with the same function?
5. Is capsule A made from the plant called “rodent tuber”?
6. May I use other organic sauce or seasoning for taste, besides sea salt and liquid aminos that you are selling at your center?
7. May I consume soup that boiled with chicken (kampung chicken or organic chicken) or pork but without taking the meat? I know I am not supposed to take meat but I need to know whether drinking meat soup is as bad as well.
8. How about soup with “ikan bilis”?
9. Is it ok to take the following food: “nangka” or jackfruit, peanuts, and small dried prawns? Even if in small amount?
Please do not get upset in answering the questions especially the questions about food. You may have answered them thousands of times but we, the patients, need to hear from you for sure.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Reply to her questions:
1. Better to take after food. Timing? When convenient.
2. Not a good idea. Take Capsule A on empty stomach if no gastric pain. Later take whatever.
4. Same function but many ways of healing. Attack from all angles not enough.
5. Yes, but with 10 other herbs to balance it.
6. I don’t know what other organic sauce is. Sure it is good stuff? I don’t know.
7. No, no. no. Nothing from things that move with their legs.
8. Yes, but don’t overdo. One tea spoonful of bilis powder maximum.
9. Aya, very bad and my answer is NO.
10. The stomach regurgitates or reflux. Try to take herbs after food and see what happens.
13 February 2008: Dr Chris, I did have intravenous chemotherapy — that was why I was in hospital for a day for each treatment. So the cost includes the intravenous chemo done in the hospital plus 2-3 weeks supply of Xeloda and vitamins. There were 6 treatments like this for the whole course. It cost about RM33,000 in total.
Below is the breakdown of a typical bill:
Room RM128 (I wanted to be hospitalized)
Sterile Supplies RM132.79
Insertion of Intravenous RM477.47 (insertion of needle into my vein)
I have been taking C-tea, capsule A, stomach 1 and 2 since 1 January 2008, only for one-and-a-half months. I am doing fine so far. Although I do not feel significantly different from before the herbs, I feel well and normal, and I got some good comments like I look better from my face. I believe in the herbs and the natural way of healing, so I will continue taking the herbs and other nutrients and watching my diet. Of course, I will consult doctor and monitor my condition from time to time.
In fact mine is a cancerous ulcer in the stomach. It is not a tumor. It has spread to nearby lymph nodes, therefore, classified as stage 4. It is under controlled after the chemotherapy. Now I wish to keep it under control as long as I can with the herbs and diet. I will take whatever you think is good for me especially it is targeted to cancerous ulcer. I strongly believe that, in my case, it was caused by the Pylori bacteria, which was preventable. I wish I have known much earlier the danger of being infected by this type of bacteria.
20 August 2008: Dear Dr Chris,
How are you doing? I know that you are a very busy man and I try not to disturb you too much.
If you may recall, I went to see Mr Lee and you end of last year, December 2007. I started to take your herbs 1 January 2008. You asked me to do a blood test at that time I saw you and I did. That was the beginning of the consumption of your herbs.
Seven months after consuming the herbs–Stomach 1 and 2, C-tea, and capsule A–I went to do a scope in my stomach and a full blood test at Subang Jaya Medical Center on July 23, 2008. I asked back the same doctor who did the scope and biopsy on me about a year ago. He was the one who delivered the bad news that I had stomach cancer stage 4. I remember very clearly he said that I had a very big ulcer in my stomach. And a year later he delivered the good news to me. He saw a perfect stomach with no ulcer–it was healed!
My blood test results looked ok too–all tumor markers were within the range except CA19.9, it was 36 (the upper range was 35 based on the report.) My white blood counts was a bit low with a rating of 2.9. I think the lower range was about 4. Anyway, the doctor said that the CA19.9 of 36 was not alarming and I may need to see a blood specialist for the low white blood cells. He declared me cancer-free for now. I just need to monitor closely from now on.
I am aware that I have a low white blood count since I started my chemo treatment last year, August 2007. If I am not wrong, there is not much I could do about it. It may affect my immune system and so far I am ok without getting sick.
I will continue my diet and herbs regime and will do a check up within half a year or so. I have cut out meat completely and for white sugar and salt, I cut them down as much as I can. I can’t be avoided completely if I eat out, hence I will not eat out unless I go traveling or for special occasions.
Anyway, Dr Chris, I believe in your herbs and I intend to continue taking it as long as I could. I understand that I am cancer free now but this does not guarantee anything. I will not be shocked if it comes back. I just try my best to prevent it from coming back. If it does come back, I will just deal with it accordingly. Of course, I hope that it will not come back with my diet regime and herbs therapy plus the supplements (OMX, plant oil, vitamin C, and complex enzyme) that I am taking.
So much about my updates. Thank you.
22 August 2008 Many thanks for your prompt reply. I am trying to close the gaps in my understanding of the story. If you don’t mind, can you clarify:
Question: What happened before July 2007. Were you suffering from something?
Answer: Prolonged bloating and a very uncomfortable stomach, no appetite, felt like vomiting.
When did this doctor say it was stage 4. After the biopsy result in July 2007? And it was stage 4?
You had a big stomach ulcer — your stomach must be bleeding? Lost a lot of blood? He did not treat you for ulcer? Surprisingly I had no bleeding in the stomach based on what I know–if my stomach bleeds, my stool would be black in color. But my stool was not black but normal color to me. I did bleed but it was red, fresh blood, because I have piles. The doctor who did the biopsy did give me some pills for the ulcer but I went for chemo right away. I still finished the pills anyway.
What did he say about being alive — or his prognosis?
He did not say anything about that because he is not an oncologist. He referred me to an oncologist right after the biopsy results. The referred oncologist (a lady) came to see me and based on the conversation with her, I knew I was very serious and I needed treatment fast. So I decided to go for the chemo treatment within 2 days of the biopsy results.
Did you ask him if there was a cure?
I did not ask him since he is not an oncologist. But my oncologist mentioned to me that I just had to try the drug Xelox first. I might end up in the good basket and I might not be. (Note: XELOX regimen consisted of taking oral Xeloda plus injection of oxaliplatin.)
Did he ask you to go for surgery? Or chemo?
The oncologist asked me to go for chemo first and when I got response she advised me to go for surgery. The oncologist suggested chemo treatment and it was done within the next 2 days after the biopsy.
You said you have 6 cycles of chemo — Was it from August 2007 onwards? And when did it end? What drugs did they use?
The chemo started 2 August 2007 and ended 23 November 2007 with 6 cycles at 3-week interval. That is, one cycle every 3 weeks. Xelox was the regimen (Xeloda plus injection of oxaliplatin.)
Then you had 2 weeks of Xeloda and stopped the Xeloda — was this after you had completed your i/v chemo?
I was given 2 weeks supply of Xeloda for every cycle of chemo treatment.
After the chemo and Xeloda — were you okay?
Of course there were side effects like numbness in my hands, slight blurred vision, poor appetite, dropping more hair, and low white blood count. Other than that, I was feeling ok generally.
In December 2007 CT scan indicated everything fine. What did the doctor say about this report.
The oncologist was pleased with the results and suggested that I go for surgery to remove part or whole of the stomach so as to remove the source of the cancer within a month after the last chemo treatment, before the drug worn out.
Since response of the treatment was so good, why did you come to see us and want to take the herbs?
I came to see you because I read the book entitled “Cancer Cured Naturally” by Betty Khoo-Kingsley. I believed in it and based on the contact information at the end of the book, I located CACARE. I was reluctant to go for the surgery. I was told by the surgeon (I went to consult a surgeon) about the side effects of having the stomach removed and I would be made very weak. I went to see you to get your opinion as well, and you were very upset by what the oncologist told me. You said that surgery might not be necessary especially if the cancer had spread. You asked me to give myself 3 months to take the herbs and to do blood test and PET scan within that 3 months. I took the herbs and did blood test but I did not and still have not done any scan yet.
Now that it is healed. Did the doctor tell you why your cancer had disappeared? The doctor who did the scope for me did not explain anything. He knew that I have gone through the chemo treatment. And I did not go back to see my oncologist since my last treatment in December 2007.
Did he ask you if you took anything else besides chemo and Xeloda?
As I mentioned above, this doctor did not ask anything and I have not seen any oncologist since December last year.
Your health conditions — before you took the herbs and after you took the herbs — were there any difference? I am trying to find out if the herbs helped you in any way? Before I took the herbs I was still suffering from the chemo side effects and of course my health condition was not as good. After the chemo and taking the herbs, I feel fine, not lethargic, good appetite, sweat or perspire easily. The only thing is I have lost about 8 kgs or 17 lbs since the treatment and no-meat diet. But I feel healthy.
But I think that what is more important is to see whether the herbs help prevent the cancer spreads further (if is still there) or help prevent the cancer comes back (if I was “cancer-free” after the chemo treatment). I have consulted other oncologists for second opinion and they said the same thing. I should and should have done the surgery before the chemo drug wore out, which should be within a month or two after the last chemo treatment. If the herbs can prolong a relapse or keep cancer away then the herbs is considered effective. Also, if I, the patient, believe in the herbs and help keep my spirit and hope high, definitely the herbs is considered beneficial. Dr Chris, once we believe that cancer can be cured naturally, then taking herbs therapy is inevitable.
If you were NOT on the herbs — or you have NOT found us — would you have followed the oncologist’s advice and go ahead to have your stomach removed?
Yes. I would have gone for the surgery if the cancerous ulcer was still there. I had already talked to a surgeon before I went to see you.
Even after you have found us, why did you not follow the oncologist’s advice? What made you want to opt for our herbs — knowing that your problem was serious at that time — or you did not consider your situation serious at all?
Although I responded very well to the chemo treatment, I would not think that I was “cured”. I expected my cancerous ulcer was still there and I was facing two options — one is going for the operation, and the other one is taking an alternative treatment. After talking to you, I decided to give it a try on the herbs.
Latest update 19 August 2013: Yes, YM turns up occasionally to collect Cap A, or she sends someone on her behalf. She has put on some weight and looks very well. We saw her a few weeks ago when she brought a friend who has breast cancer.
A Point to Ponder
What do you think YM’s life is like if she was to follow the doctor’s advice and have her stomach removed?
Lisa (not real name, M805) is a 35-year-old Indonesian lady. In October 2009 she passed out black stools. She came to Penang for a medical check-up. An upper endoscopy showed acute gastric ulcer but the rapid urease test was negative for H. pylori. Her blood test showed low levels of haemoglobin (8.3), red blood cell (2.9) and high platelet count (431). She was prescribed medication for gastritis and was told to come back for further observation after a month.
On 3 December 2009, another endoscopy was performed. It showed an almost completely healed ulcer. A repeat rapid urease test again was negative for H. pylori. A gastric biopsy was also performed and indicated an adenocarcinoma, diffuse type. A CT scan on 11 January 2010 showed a thickening of the gastric antral wall consistent with the clinical finding of carcinoma. The diffuse hypodensity of the liver parenchyma was in keeping with fatty liver change. No mass lesion was seen in the liver. There was no evidence of any focal lung lesion or lymphadenopathy.
Lisa underwent an operation to remove her stomach. The histopathology dated 12 January 2010 confirmed a diffuse type adenocarcinoma of stomach, T3N1M1, Stage 4. Lisa was asked to go for chemotherapy. She returned to Jakarta and received one cycle of chemotherapy. The treatment was a disaster. She fainted and had to be admitted to the ICU. She was discharge after four days but could hardly remember many things. She only recovered after a month.
Lisa returned to Penang for a follow-up examination with her surgeon. A CT scan on 21 July 2010 showed no evidence of pancreatic, splenic or renal mass lesion. There was no evidence of any lymphadenopathy. There was no obvious recurrence in the surgical bed.
Lisa and her husband came to seek our help on 23 July 2010 as she was not prepared to go for any morechemotherapy. She was prescribed Capsule A, Stomach 1 and Stomach 2 teas and C-tea.
Sometime just around the Chinese New Year (end of January 2012) Lisa felt a small lump in her stomach. She returned to Penang on 20 February 2012. A CT scan showed the following:
Fatty liver change.
Mild to moderately dilated intrahepatic ducts.
Ill-defined enhancing soft tissue around the pancreas and common bile duct which extends inferiorly along the right retroperitoneum, right paracaval and ilio-psoas down to the right inguinal and upper anterior thigh region. This has infiltrated the right upper ureter. Features are suspicious of tumour/metastatic deposits.
Moderate to gross hydronephrosis of the right kidney with diffuse cortical thinning.
Blood test showed elevated liver function enzymes:
Lisa and her husband met with the surgeon. The surgeon said it was not possible to undergo further surgery. She was told to go for chemotherapy. That was the only option left.
The following is the transcript of our video-taped conversation on 22 February 2012.
Wanting a cure, whatever it may cost
Husband: January 2011, she had the surgery.
Chris: Her stomach was removed. Before the surgery, did you ask the surgeon if the operation could cure her?
H: He told us after the removal of her stomach, she would be okay. Then we need to go for chemotherapy.
C: Did you explicitly ask if after the surgery, she will be cured?
H: He did not answer that question. The surgeon explained that after the surgery, everything would be clean. The cancer would not spread anymore. We believed whatever he said. The reason why we went to him was because we wanted to find a cure.
C: Yes, I understand – all patients who come here (from Indonesia) are searching for a cure. So whatever answers you get or what the doctors said, you all would believe them. And also pay whatever it may cost. What you all want is a “cure.” I understand that. So, after the operation, how long was she in the hospital?
H: About two weeks.
Health worsened after the surgery
C: How was her health before and after the surgery?
H: After the surgery she became weaker – she was worse off. Before the operation, she was okay- okay, normal and there was nothing wrong.
C: Why did you go for the surgery then?
H: She was okay, she could eat – there not nothing wrong with her. She was told that she had cancer and we were afraid that disease would spread.
C (to patient): Can you tell me – before the operation, you were okay?
Patient: Nodding vigorously.
H: Nothing wrong with her except she passed out black stools. Then they did a biopsy after a scan and said it was cancer.
C: That was all?
H: Nothing – no pain, nothing. If she had pains it would it would have been a different matter. But she was able to eat well.
C: And when the doctor asked you to operate, you went ahead with the surgery? And after the surgery, she was not getting better?
H: No, not better.
Surgery – a RM 20,000 adventure
C: How much did the surgery cost you?
H. About RM 20,000.
First Chemo – she fainted and four days in ICU
C: After the surgery, she had chemo?
H: Three months later, she had chemotherapy in Jakarta. There was no problem on the first day after the chemo. The night of the second day, she had a seizure and her hands were shaking vigorously and she fainted. She was admitted into the ICU and was there for four days.
C (to patient): Did you remember anything when you were in the ICU? Did you remember going off or flying away somewhere?
P: No (shaking her head).
H: After coming out of the ICU she could not remember things – memory loss. She could only recognize me. But gradually her memory started to come back. It took about a month for her to become normal again.
C: Did the doctor want you to continue with the chemo after this episode?
H: At first he said she had to do 3 cycles of chemo, but after seeing what had happened, the doctor did not ask her to continue with her chemo anymore.
No more chemo for me
C (to patient): If you were asked to go for more chemo – do you want to do it again?
P: No, I don’t want any more chemo.
After extensive recurrence – the only solution is chemotherapy
H: Now, the only solution is chemotherapy.
C: You went to talk to the surgeon. He told you she should go for chemotherapy. Did he know what had happened to your wife after the first chemo?
H: He knew. But he did not have any more words to say. He told us, there was nothing else he could do except chemotherapy. But how are we to go for chemo after such a bad experience? We are afraid. She is going to lose her hairs and what not.
C: Loosing hair is not a problem at all – it will grow again. But what we need to worry is if she would “fly away.”
Next-bed-patient became blind after two chemo and died after three
C: You told me earlier that there was another patient in the next bed. She also had chemo when your wife was having hers.
H: After the chemo, she became blind. Her eyes could not see anymore.
C: What? Before the chemo, were her eyes okay – could she see?
H: Yes, her eyes were normal. After two chemos her eyes could not see anymore. She died after the third chemo.
C: What? She died after the third chemo? After the second she became blind – why did she continue with the third chemo then?
H: Her husband made that decision. Because of what I have seen, I would not want her to do any more chemo.
C: Did you really talk to her husband?
H: Yes, I talked to him.
C: Even after becoming blind, the husband still wanted her to continue with the chemo?
H: Yes, he wanted to continue with the treatment.
C: Did he tell you why he wanted to do that?
H: No and I did not ask.
1. Lisa passed out black stools, otherwise she was okay. What could have happened if she did nothing? Do no surgery or chemo? How bad could she be?
2. Lisa and her husband asked the surgeon if surgery would cure her. The answer was rather evasive – He told us after the removal of her stomach, she would be okay. Then we need to go for chemotherapy. We believed whatever he said. We would like to believe that whatever doctors say or do, it is always for the best interest of their patients. But let’s not be naïve. At time it is good to be reminded of what Dr. Mendelsohn said:
3. Lisa had her first cycle of chemotherapy and she fainted and lost her memory. Her next-bed fellow patient was blind after two chemos and was dead after the third. This clearly shows that chemo is not for everybody.
4. The story of Lisa clearly showed that surgery did not cure her cancer. She expected a cure but she was short-changed. In fact she became weaker and was worse off.
5. As it is now, after two years, the cancer had metastatised extensively – could her cancer be worse than this if she did nothing?
DS-M906, is a 69-year-old female from Indonesia. Sometime in July 2009, DS had problems with her stomach. She consulted an internist at a private hospital in Medan. A biopsy was performed and the result indicated an adenocarcinoma, i.e. cancer of the stomach. After this examination, DS decided not to do anything. Her problem escalated and she suffered more pains.
In December 2010, DS went to see another doctor in another private hospital in Medan. A biopsy was again performed. The histopathology result indicated a moderately differentiated adenocarcinoma. Not satisfied, in January 2011, DS came to a private hospital in Penang for further consultation. A CT scan did not show any focal lung lesion. Her abdominal organs were normal. A colonoscopy showed simple haemorrhoids while the rest of the bowels were normal. A biopsy of the pre-pyloric region was performed. The result indicated signet ring-type adenocarcinoma. There was also Helicobacter pylori associated chronic active gastritis. In short, for the third time, DS had been told that she had stomach cancer.
The doctor in Penang suggested two options – DS take medications or undergo an operation. DS declined further medical treatment and came to seek our help on 21 January 2011. Below is the video recording of our conversation.
Comments: Since DS and her children had already made the decision not to undergo any surgery, DS had no other choice but to take our herbal teas. We cautioned her to reconsider her decision to decline surgery. She was adamant that she did not want any medical treatment. One of her children said: “After surgery, she has to undergo chemotherapy. And we know that is not the thing we want to do.”
We posed this question to DS – and for that matter, to all patients. If she has already decided not to undergo surgery after a biopsy, why does she do one biopsy after another? It is understandable if only one biopsy is done – to determine what has gone wrong. But what does she expect to get by doing three biopsies?
This is one peculiarity we often notice among Indonesian patients. They come to Penang – bring all the money that they have. They spend their money on blood test, X-ray, CT scan, PET scan, biopsy, etc. When they are told that they have cancer and need to medical treatments, some of them just pack off and go home the next day. Is this not wasting money unnecessarily? Is there any logic in doing such thing?
This is our message to patient: Iif you don’t want to proceed with medical treatments recommended by your doctor, there is no need to do a biopsy. A biopsy is done to confirm if you have cancer, so that you can move to the next step – be it surgery, radiotherapy or chemotherapy. If you did not want to do any of these, why do a biopsy?
Again we say – before doing a biopsy, ask yourself first: If it is cancer, do I want to undergo surgery / chemotherapy / or radiotherapy? If you agree to such treatment, go ahead with the biopsy to be sure that it is really cancer. But if you do not wish to undergo further medical treatment as in the case of DS, why do you spend so much of your money doing the biopsy in the first place?
Granted – some patients say, the medical treatments are expensive and they cannot afford it. Or, some may say they decline medical treatments because the doctors cannot guarantee a cure. If these are your concerns, why don’t you ask the costs first or ask for a guarantee first before doing anything?
LK (T905) is a 71-year-old female. Sometime in September 2007 she passed out blood. She consulted a doctor in a private hospital and was prescribed ulcer medication. She was on this medication for about a year. Then on 28 September 2008, LK was again admitted into the same private hospital for gastric bleeding. An OGDS (oesophago-gastric-duodeno-scopy) carried out on her on 30 September 2008 revealed a large ulcer at the pylorus of the stomach. A biopsy of the ulcer showed it to be a moderately differentiated adenocarcinoma, intestinal-type.
LK was again admitted into the same hospital on 7 October 2008. After necessary investigation and further blood transfusion, a Bilroth II partial gasterectomy was carried out on her the next day. The specimen was sent for histopathological analysis and it was reported as “moderately differentiated-type carcinoma of stomach, at least Stage 2.”
LK was referred to an oncologist for chemotherapy but she declined the treatment. On 24 October 2008, she and her family came to seek our help instead.
LK was prescribed Capsule A, Stomach1 & 2 teas, C-tea.
She was well up to this day. Since she did not come to see us personally, her case did not attract out attention. Nevertheless, her children regularly came to take herbs for her.
More than two years later, 5 December 2010, LK came to our centre again. For the past six months she had been staying with her daughter in Kuala Lumpur (KL). During her stay in KL she developed severe itch and this deprived her of sleep every night. Her legs were weak and she had no strength to walk. This was further compounded by her long-standing backaches. She has to use a walking stick.
We immediately put LK on the e-Therapy.
LK was asked to undergo chemotherapy after surgery of stomach cancer. She was then 71 years old. She declined the treatment. What do you think would have happened to this elderly lady if she were to undergo the recommended chemotherapy? Would she have survived the treatment?
I searched the internet to find out about the effectiveness of chemotherapy for gastric (stomach) cancer.
First, ask this question: What is the purpose of chemotherapy after surgery? This is what one website said: This treatment may improve survival time by months and the quality of life. This statement implies that chemotherapy does not cure stomach cancer. It only improves survival time by months.
The statement also claims that it improves quality of life. Do you buy this claim? I really find it hard to swallow. This is because the same website said this: Chemotherapy given to treat stomach cancer may cause the following side effects: sunburn-like skin irritation, nausea, diarrhea, fatigue, nerve damage, low blood counts, hair loss and kidney damage. Another website had this list: skin rash, hearing problems, loss of balance, joint pain and swollen legs and feet.
Take note, no one claims that chemotherapy and / or radiotherapy after surgery can ever cure stomach cancer. In this respect, we are really glad to see LK doing fine even after two years.
For the past six months, LK developed itchiness of her skin. Besides she has difficulty moving around due to weakness of her legs. Even before her cancer she also had lumbar backache. We did not get to see LK often. In fact LK came to see us on 5 December 2010 on our request. We immediately put her on the e-therapy and within days, her conditions improved. As LK said the doctor’s medication could only helpe her temporarily – the problems recurred.
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